International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Braxton Brigade]

I read your post stating you like the visuals. I do too..... you can tell me all day long but I have to see it to understand it. To me it looks like the cockerel is too triangular. These pictures are from the Marans of America Club. The first pic is of a bird that is too triangular. The rest are more the ideal body type. [COLOR=B42000] [/COLOR]

Hi Braxton Brigade ; your cockerel is a marans X not a pure one . Marans X small breed. He will give you a good result with the ameraucana .( hybrid vigor ) and better eggs color ( mix colored eggs basket ), where about are you , see what we can do to find you some marans fertile eggs to work with . You are only 17 BRAVO . you deserve all the help. let me see what I can do. chooks man

Braxton.....I am sorry I missed the part about you being 17. As Chooks Man has already said, Bravo. If my girls will ever start laying I would be glad to send you eggs.

All I can say is thanks so much! You're all very encouraging of my age, I was a bit worried I would be deemed too new at this all to start up a marans project. I wasn't actually planning to hybridized my Ameruacanas and Marans. I was gifted some quality Ameruacanas eggs from a local breeder, she has sort of become my mentor on generic bird raising tips/tricks. If any of you are familiar with ams, my chicks parents are directly from Paul Smith. (Not to bring another breed into a BCM thread, just giving context to my previous post) I'm much newer to marans though, my eggs were supposedly a GFF roo over bev Davis hens. However who knows how far they are from those bloodlines now. I'll be sure to take notes and watch carefully as more people critique one another's birds, BYC is such a wonderful place to be.

 

[Red Banks]

Quote: Paul Smiths Ameraucanas are very nice birds! Great start!

 

[Braxton Brigade]

Paul Smiths Ameraucanas are very nice birds! Great start!

It was great luck on my part, now to get lucky again with some Marans

. My family thinks I am a little crazy with all these "chicken ideas", they have recently began asking why it matters what they look like.

I believe having 3 pens specifically for breeding stock is reason enough to shoot for greatness.

 

[Red Banks]

From their stand point an egg is an egg and a chicken is a chicken but for some it is a way of life.

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[Braxton Brigade]

Do ya'll think that people who breed only for egg color have escalated the destruction of the breed? Usually these are people that claim to have good bloodlines and throw around all the right phrases... BUT they don't breed towards a better bird, only a darker egg. I can just imagine it could even discredit the original breeders work. I personally believe that a SOP bird and a good egg are synonymous.

 

[Red Banks]

Do ya'll think that people who breed only for egg color have escalated the destruction of the breed? Usually these are people that claim to have good bloodlines and throw around all the right phrases... BUT they don't breed towards a better bird, only a darker egg. I can just imagine it could even discredit the original breeders work. I personally believe that a SOP bird and a good egg are synonymous.

From the French Marans Club website.

Even if of ideal type and plumage colour, stock which has lost the characteristic of laying extra-russet-red eggs (as defined by the MCF) will never again be true Marans.

 

[chickengr]

You have plenty of time to decide what to do and get ready for what you want to do. I had to start with what is my goal and what will it take to get there. What is your goal?

my goal is marans. I have been gifted with the opportunity to start with the good eggs. the marans I have wouldn't give me good offspring for the rest of my life and I cannot find anything better in greece. most people even don't know the name of the breed, they just call them red eggers. at the same time I will keep my layer's flock of different breeds. some of them get broody as well. my other favourite breed is naked necks and I plan to breed them with marans and araucanas. I also want to get some olive eggers as in the last few years people don't want to use chemicals for easter eggs. a friend of mine will give me a trio of rumpless araucanas but they are mixed colours so I don't really know what to do with them. selling fertile eggs can always help me with buying feed. I also have a buff orpington roo and 1 young pullet. I think my head will explode

I doubt that I will keep araucanas and orpingtons for long if some miracle does not happen and I can by more land. there are 2 small plots next to mine but at the moment I cannot think of buying them. I even don't know who is the owner of 1 of them.

 

[chickengr]

Do ya'll think that people who breed only for egg color have escalated the destruction of the breed? Usually these are people that claim to have good bloodlines and throw around all the right phrases... BUT they don't breed towards a better bird, only a darker egg. I can just imagine it could even discredit the original breeders work. I personally believe that a SOP bird and a good egg are synonymous.

I guess people who breed only for egg colour have pet chickens and don't care about the breed. that's why they cross them with any other breed;

 

[Red Banks]

Quote: You have been offered a great gift if Marans are your goal. Perhaps you can prioritize all the "wants" by importance and go from there.

 

[Chooks man]

the marans hen has her standard well established .
she need to have a the marans type and she have to lay a dark egg too .

good looking type hen ho fail to lay a dark egg minimum 4 she is no longer marans hen.

hen ho manage to lay a dark egg but doesn t have a marans type she is no longer a marans hen. Example some strain of Welsumer. etc...... they lay dark eggs but they aren t marans.

good type and dark egg both are the bunch mark of the marans hen . POULE FERMIER RUSTIQUE

chooks man