International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Chooks man]

this was luna's and marco's mother:


all the girls from her line have bent comb.if I understood well, luna and her future chicks will have bent comb as well.

she lived for 14 months only. I think her maximum weight was 2,7 kg. she had tapeworms and before she died her weight was 1,6 kg. she had some respiratory issue as a chick so I didn't expect her to live for long. she was given to me at age of 6-7 week.

luna is a tough girl. I am waiting for her comb to show how much bent it will be. I can see the back of her comb is already bent a bit.

we can fix a comb through a rooster too ,it is not as fast as with the hen. but could be done.every thing could be done just mater of time that all .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

now I understand why you say to stick to 1 breed only.

I can keep my araucanas as they are mixed colours anyway. they will be roo+hen=chicks and they will be sold to help me economically. people here call them green egg layers without tail, so there is no need to follow any standard. I will be able to concentrate to the marans.

i like your way of thinking NO tail ,No standard ,Roo + hen = chicks NOTHING to worry about .that cool .will solve all the problems we are having.

you see RedBank I call this Radical thinking.Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

if you have a market for them .than will make sense you keep them ,they pay for them selves ,that great .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

Chooks Man, I have been very busy the last few days. I have some very nice pullets coming up. I am going to take pictures and get them tagged just as you have suggested. It is funny because you said red on Gabby and that is exactly the color I had laid out for her. I would like to do the second test breeding option you gave me. 1 Roo and 3-4 hens for a month. I was out with the girls today and they are really looking good. You know which roo I want in the first month! LOL

Waiting .

Second breeding option is easier and will give you more flexibility . one condition you need to know witch hen lay witch eggs for this method to work other wise you end up doing pen breeding Not really test mating .

I guess you are going for Antonio as your first breeder ?

chooks man

 

[Red Banks]

Quote: I sold three olive eggers this morning. I see no profit in any chicken activity that I do! I think a lot of people follow chickengr's araucana strategy and they are probably much smarter than I am!

 

[Red Banks]

Quote: Of course! I will catch him today and have a look at those wings.

 

[Chooks man]

I sold three olive eggers this morning. I see no profit in any chicken activity that I do! I think a lot of people follow chickengr's araucana strategy and they are probably much smarter than I am!

Chickengr Araucana strategy is used by most of the chooks keepers.

RedBank if you breed a good marans you will make some money from them .

well bred marans chooks are well expensive except in France 2 Euro a fertile egg and 40 to 60 Euro a breeders pullets/ hens , Rooster are cheap .

My marans are the second most expensive in the country after the import .

Next year when I have the imported chooks ( BCM .BLCM and English cuckoo ) I ll be the largest and the most expensive marans stock in the country .

I have a big list of peoples waiting to get chooks or fertile from me next year ( this year I m not salling fertile eggs ,I m giving them to peoples who want to work with me in this marans project). Need to hatch 4/5000 this breeding season to go through my orders for the next year January 2017 sale.

All good . the Marans hens is productive classic farm hens.

i have my work cut off .

chooks man

 

[Red Banks]

Quote:
I think to be very successful at anything you must have a passion for it. When our heart is in it, when we give it our all we can't fail. I have offered eggs to others even before you suggested it. It seemed the right thing to do, we are all in this together.....

I can't imagine your kind of production..... but what is really impressive to me (don't get me wrong the whole operation is impressive) is your individual attention to the birds. You are so hands on.
You are doing the right thing on a grand scale.

 

[Chooks man]

Chooks Man,

First, I want to thank you for all the information you have shared with us. In the U.S. we have been conditioned to think a certain way when it comes to selecting our breeders. So for the first time we are thinking outside of the box. While well intentioned, I believe most of the advice, critiques, etc. that we receive from breeders in the U.S. is primarily for the selection of show birds. One of the most important things I've learned from this forum is that there is a DIFFERENCE between breeder birds and show birds. Me and others on this forum want to be quality breeders first and foremost.

Second, I have noticed in several different posts that you suggest selecting breeders based on gender to express certain traits. For example, I recall that you mentioned that color comes from the cock and good combs come from the hen. I'm curious, are there any other traits that tend to be gender specific and, if so, what are those traits? I'm trying to keep good notes for future breeding practices and selection practices for future breeding stock. If I misunderstood your prior posts my apologies.

Thanks,
Keith

You Welcome ;
Show bird have to be bred first from a breeders .
So if we don t have a breeders how we are going to breed a show bird ?

Show bird is a final result , Breeder bird is a producer of the result . that is a difference between the 2.
So breeder bird doesn t have to be correct but will be able to produce a show bird in his/her progeny.

Genetically speaking ;
Show bird have to comply to the phenotype of the bread ( physical expression ) but doesn t have to carry a proper genotype ( Genetic make up ) of the breed Because is the final cross.

I have a friend a great australorp Chooks breed ,he has been showing for two generation , his father before him as well . Both off them they sale all stock they show. priced chooks . they never bring they champion home.
So I asked him why do you sale your champion , why no breed them . you know what he said to me. I have the parent stock who produced the champ . the Champ job is done so he has to be sold at the top Dollar to feed the rest of the flock who can produce more champion like him/her.

He said as well if I don t sale my champion I ll have no job as a breeder.how can I feed them and hatch alot to select from

chooks man

 

[chickengr]

You Welcome ;
Show bird have to be bred first from a breeders .
So if we don t have a breeders how we are going to breed a show bird ?

Show bird is a final result , Breeder bird is a producer of the result . that is a difference between the 2.
So breeder bird doesn t have to be correct but will be able to produce a show bird in his/her progeny.

Genetically speaking ;
Show bird have to comply to the phenotype of the bread ( physical expression ) but doesn t have to carry a proper genotype ( Genetic make up ) of the breed Because is the final cross.

I have a friend a great australorp Chooks breed ,he has been showing for two generation , his father before him as well . Both off them they sale all stock they show. priced chooks . they never bring they champion home.
So I asked him why do you sale your champion , why no breed them . you know what he said to me. I have the parent stock who produced the champ . the Champ job is done so he has to be sold at the top Dollar to feed the rest of the flock who can produce more champion like him/her.

He said as well if I don t sale my champion I ll have no job as a breeder.how can I feed them and hatch alot to select from

chooks man

so, the show bird is all hat, no cattle?

 

[Chooks man]

so, the show bird is all hat, no cattle?

that alright chickengr .all hat ,no cattle

chooks man