International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Chooks man]

today I made the first selection of a Black copper cockerel from Zambezi X Toby - Black hen- mating.
this are the first group aged one week shy from 6 months old .
5 brothers only one selected .
he is the best ,but does not mean faultless .
still work to do .comb and ears tufts /spotted chest .but happy with him considering his mama is black
here a photos of him from different angles to highlight the good and the bad.
enjoy

the middle one ,with his 2 brothers both of them lucking the red shoulder .

GREAT ,BIG BODY TYPE
long flat back
thick head
arched and solid neck
small and well formed tail .great angle
rich,red copper
well colored shoulder

well balanced body
tail forming a nice Pyramid shape
wide rear
big frame

great body type .well put together
lacking the lacing on the chest
leg well straight .nicely colored and feathered

comb need some work
ears tuft need to be copper
you can see in this photo ,the color of his feet

hope all this information and photos will help you guys to make the selection

his name is TOBAMBEZI ( Zambezi X Tobarine -Toby-)

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

here some photos of my second Birchen cockerel selected .
this one is a son a VIKING2 over his dam HELSINKI .So the little one will be VIKING3.
he look exactly like him .see the photos
this line has mass .super heavy 4.5Kg .MAX of the marans wight allowed by the standard 4.5Kg Coq and 4 Kg hen
the egg color is not the strong hold of this line yet

VIKING3 .he weigh 3.5Gk at 6 month old . build like a tank
he has a better comb than his father VIKING2

here VIKING2 the Sire

now I need one more back cross mating to breed this body type true
I need to trim the comb and lengthen the back PLUS egg color

I m not far off .

chooks mam

 

[chickengr]

today I made the first selection of a Black copper cockerel from Zambezi X Toby - Black hen- mating.
this are the first group aged one week shy from 6 months old .
5 brothers only one selected .
he is the best ,but does not mean faultless .
still work to do .comb and ears tufts /spotted chest .but happy with him considering his mama is black
here a photos of him from different angles to highlight the good and the bad.
enjoyView attachment 1043013
the middle one ,with his 2 brothers both of them lucking the red shoulder .
View attachment 1043014
GREAT ,BIG BODY TYPE
long flat back
thick head
arched and solid neck
small and well formed tail .great angle
rich,red copper
well colored shoulder
View attachment 1043015
well balanced body
tail forming a nice Pyramid shape
wide rear
big frame
View attachment 1043016
great body type .well put together
lacking the lacing on the chest
leg well straight .nicely colored and feathered
View attachment 1043017
comb need some work
ears tuft need to be copper
you can see in this photo ,the color of his feet

hope all this information and photos will help you guys to make the selection

his name is TOBAMBEZI ( Zambezi X Tobarine -Toby-)

chooks man

I started my marans with similar. I hope I am on the right track.

when you talk about combs, do you mean you should work on size of comb or shape?

I still have big combs at the roos but marco has a smaller comb. I will see the little ones how their combs will end up. I don't know if they are mario's or marco's sons. anyway I will not breed them with their sisters but with the other ones that have smaller combs.

btw, from the inbreed crossing I did there are no penguin type chicks. does it mean they are free from parasitic white?

 

[Chooks man]

I started my marans with similar. I hope I am on the right track.

when you talk about combs, do you mean you should work on size of comb or shape?

I still have big combs at the roos but marco has a smaller comb. I will see the little ones how their combs will end up. I don't know if they are mario's or marco's sons. anyway I will not breed them with their sisters but with the other ones that have smaller combs.

btw, from the inbreed crossing I did there are no penguin type chicks. does it mean they are free from parasitic white?

I need to make the comb pretty . faultless .Shape /size /form too.
I m happy with the size that all ,the rest need work ( number /shape and size of the point ) get ready of the coronation at the back .
not a big deal .easy to fix this sort of stuffs.

Parasitic white = if the chick face is all black ( no sign of any white ) mean they are free from the parasitic white.

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

here some example of how the marans roosters /cockerels should look from the rear.
they should look strong ,wide at the shoulder and rear , well formed small tail NOT large neither open .large long flat back

TOBAMBEZI .

Dark Silver Cuckoo Jackie Chan

VIKING3.

when we select the cockerel we need to look for the one is put together well and nicely colored not a big one. because this traits are strongly inherited from the Roosters
if they turn up to be big than it is a bonus .
hope this information should help some one to select a good cockerel as a breeder from they existing flock .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

here a photos of a Black copper cockerel I ll never breed from .because he is lucking the red shoulder ( the Autosomal Red Ar) very important body color gene for the ER marans family genetic.
AR Red Shoulder . coppery spotted chest and Ears tuft
ar Silver shoulder, Silver spotted ( laced )chest and Ears tuft
But the Shoulder are more important than the other 2.

he has a gorgeous body type and nice long back plus a great tail I can use him with other marans varieties who do not need the Autosomal Red like the Recessive white and the dominant white both need clear shoulder .
so even he is not a cull as a BCM but in the same time he is a asset to me to work with in other project .
all the marans varieties compliment each other .
more marans varieties the person have ,less culling is needed .

chooks man

 

[chickengr]

I need to make the comb pretty . faultless .Shape /size /form too.
I m happy with the size that all ,the rest need work ( number /shape and size of the point ) get ready of the coronation at the back .
not a big deal .easy to fix this sort of stuffs.

Parasitic white = if the chick face is all black ( no sign of any white ) mean they are free from the parasitic white.

chooks man

here a photos of a Black copper cockerel I ll never breed from .because he is lucking the red shoulder ( the Autosomal Red Ar) very important body color gene for the ER marans family genetic.
AR Red Shoulder . coppery spotted chest and Ears tuft
ar Silver shoulder, Silver spotted ( laced )chest and Ears tuft
But the Shoulder are more important than the other 2.
View attachment 1045522
he has a gorgeous body type and nice long back plus a great tail I can use him with other marans varieties who do not need the Autosomal Red like the Recessive white and the dominant white both need clear shoulder .
so even he is not a cull as a BCM but in the same time he is a asset to me to work with in other project .
all the marans varieties compliment each other .
more marans varieties the person have ,less culling is needed .

chooks man

what do you get by crossing bcm and white marans?

1 of my girls from the second batch is overcoloured (mossy, looks like straw yellow laced chest). she can be an olive egger mother but I wonder if she would be useful for the marans breeding besides mated to a dark roo.

 

[chickengr]

I didn't attach these 2 pics now, I have no idea how they ended up here. they are from my old post.

 

[Chooks man]

what do you get by crossing bcm and white marans?

1 of my girls from the second batch is overcoloured (mossy, looks like straw yellow laced chest). she can be an olive egger mother but I wonder if she would be useful for the marans breeding besides mated to a dark roo.

photo please .
laced chest is a good sign if there is the right amount .

what do we get if we cross a White to a BCM ?
there is 2 type of white .
1) Recessive white .need tow genes to make the chook white .
2) Dominant white . one dose is enough to turn the chooks white .
both of them are not complete dominant ,they are leaky gene .mean the gold and the black feathers come through them some times .

Plus both white are not chooks family genetic ,they are just modifying genes .So the white chooks could be any thing Er .E . Ewh .e+. etc...that what make them very hard to work with .
if we talk only about the plumage than a Recessive White X BCM Black copper ( split white )
Dominant white X BCM = 100% Dominant copper ( white chooks with some coppery hackle .some shoulder color and some of the lancet will be copper too .SO not a pure white chooks .
to breed a pure dominant white chooks we need a Silver based chooks .
it is a reson I crossed White Storm with a Birchen hens to introduce a Silver gene to the White line ,so the plumage can be pure white no leakage .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

Chickengr here a photo of a BCM pullet with a overly laced chest - too much copper-

here another one

chooks man