Is It Normal For Peas To Lay Now 9/02?

[clinton9]

Hi Deerman,
Are you sure these two-year-old peacocks are fertile and capable of breeding at 2 year old ???

I apologise for posted the wrong imformations, but peafowls I studied, were 3 IB peafowls I kept on 1994-1995 and feral birds in New Zealand.

I had never heard of two year old peafowls breeding until I read this BYC forum.

I had been studying the moults of peafowls, for seaval past years in New Zealand.

It take 5 months for a 2-year-old peacock to renew the short old barred 1st year (1st adult) train, with new short plain green train.
Longest 1st year train feather 50-55mm.
Longest 2nd year train feather 70mm.

I had kept three IB peafowls in 1994-1995. 1 male & 2 females. Male shed longest immature train feathers on March 1995 at 14 month old and took 4 months for longest 1st year train feathers to become fully grown. On July 1995 at 18 month old the new 1st year train were fully grown and do not start to moult into 2 year train until February (austral summertime).

This means 2-year-old peacocks cannot breed, because of decreasing daylength in autumntime, and long 2nd year train feathers are not fully grown until July (austral wintertime).

When I got three shot 1st year peacocks (aged as 20 months old) I found very very small testies and they had 1st year train still new feathers, on 11/9/11. No 2 year old peacocks were available for me.

This means these 2-year-old peacocks have to wait until they are 32 months before they breed in springtime, they will breed only if no adult peacocks nearby, to chase them.

Moulting season is stressful months for birds, and feathers come from foods, birds had to spend more time looking for foods to feed growing feathers. Peacock take 340 days to renew flight feathers.

This means 2 year old peacocks can only breed between 32 months and 37 months old, from September to February (austral spring-summer), with 150 breeding days (5 months).

At 37 months old the 3-year old peacocks shed (drop) the train feathers and their testies get smaller.
New train feathers are adult train feathers, with many eyes.
Because at age of 3 year old, the train were shorter than train of 6-year old peacock, the long train feathers of 3-year-old peacock take about 180 days and 200 days to regrow. They start to breed at 44 months old, and will displaying for 5 more months.
Older peacocks take 220-230 days to regrow longest train feathers.

Older wild peacocks get more matings than young peacocks, and wild peahens go for older peacocks (8-14 year old)
Train length start to get shorter at 16-18 years old, so aged peacocks had shorter trains.

I am very sorry if I annoy members, but I were helpful toward members.

I do not keep peafowls in my property as I lives in property I had renting in a town and New Zealand had very high Real Estate prices, I unable to buy a big land and house. Hence I cannot keep peafowls in a town.

Clinton.




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Clinton as you DON'T RAISE PEAFOWL. Not sure where you are getting your information. Please stop posting all this wrong information.

All my 2 year old peahens lay ,even had year old peahens lay. Never had a 2 year old peacock ,not be fertile. Even ones with only one eye feather.


In one post you don't know what a spalding is........then in another post you talk about to get spalding you need birds to be imprinted to breed , which is not so. you put a java male with blue ,or spalding hens he will breed them.


Posting wrong infor will just confuse new breeders of peafowl, and could cause some to miss a year of breeding , if they beleive your post...like i said in over 20 years breedeing peafowl, NEVER HAD 2YEARS OLDS THAT DIDN'T BREED AND BE FERTILE.....now hear the greens need to be 3 sometime.

 

[millebantam]

Sorry dude, just about everybody's peacocks here in the US are capable of breeding hens at 2 years old. I think your research examples were younger birds than you thought. As Deerman said, the green birds may take until the 3rd year to be fertile.

 

[clinton9]

Hi millebantam and Deerman,
I think US had "domesticed peafowls" as I read zazouse's photo of a 18-month-old male IB peafowl.
The peacock was a domestic form of IB peafowl, and at 18 month old he had seaval (10 +) eyed train feathers and when he reach 2 years old he will look alike to 3-year-old adult wild peacock, and being domesticed, peacock breed 1 year too young, at 2 year old.

Domestic birds: Breeding age

IB peafowl 32 months old
Chicken 6 months old
Turkey 10 months old
Pigeons 6 months old
Muscovy ducks 8 months old

Wild birds

IB peafowl 3 year old
Chicken 2 year old
Turkey 2 year old
Pigeons 1 year old
Muscovy ducks 2 year old

As IB peafowls get domesticed, their breeding age went back to 2 years old, with adult plumage at 2 year old instead of 3 years old.
Legs get shorter and domesticed birds loose interest in flying and grow bigger than wild birds.
Male wild turkeys are fast skilled fliers, but male domestic turkeys rarely fly unless they feel frightened.

I known 10-12 month old female domestic geese to laid eggs, so this means 11 month old or 1-year-old domestic IB peahens will lay eggs.

Problem is male domesticed peafowls may get bigger and become unwilling fliers, same as for male domestic turkeys, as not able to fly upward for more than 6 feet from ground, to avoid spray dogs, foxes, wild US mammals that eat meats.
Domesticed turkeys called "mammoth" had lost their ablilies to fly (cannot fly) and became too big.

Flying is peafowls"s & turkeys"s only best way to avoid become lunches / dinners for US meat-eating mammals.

Think what happen if domesticed peafowls & turkeys will do if they cannot fly and two spray dogs approach them ????
Running and fighting using legs & spurs are useless against mammals as dogs.

Clinton.

 

[Arbor]

As IB peafowls get domesticed, their breeding age went back to 2 years old, with adult plumage at 2 year old instead of 3 years old.

I don't think you get what they are saying clinton. They aren't saying a two year old male will have full adult plumage. I live in Canada and I've had fertility from two year old cocks with only a dozen eye feathers. Being fed a domesticated bird feed may increase the chances of a second year fertile male, but most people on this forum aren't raising wild peafowl. Being in New Zealand with warmer climates the feral birds should technically grow faster as there are no large predators and there is lots of food available. I've also travelled around a bit and many that I've talked to in Europe have it the same. Feral birds here have no problems flying either.​

 

[deerman]

Quote:
Clinton as you DON'T RAISE PEAFOWL. Not sure where you are getting your information. Please stop posting all this wrong information.

All my 2 year old peahens lay ,even had year old peahens lay. Never had a 2 year old peacock ,not be fertile. Even ones with only one eye feather.


In one post you don't know what a spalding is........then in another post you talk about to get spalding you need birds to be imprinted to breed , which is not so. you put a java male with blue ,or spalding hens he will breed them.


Posting wrong infor will just confuse new breeders of peafowl, and could cause some to miss a year of breeding , if they beleive your post...like i said in over 20 years breedeing peafowl, NEVER HAD 2YEARS OLDS THAT DIDN'T BREED AND BE FERTILE.....now hear the greens need to be 3 sometime.


YES 100% sure they will breed ......more like age of 20 months ......i have yet to have one not be fertile in their 2nd year.....i run 2 peahen with most 2 yr old peacocks...........one of my charcoal peacock at 2 was with 4 peahens.......fertile was 80% or better.

 

[clinton9]

Deerman,
Thankyou for advises.

Clinton.