It’s been 47 hours since noticed internal pip. Is it time to assist??? HELP!

[HeatherKellyB]

Thank you for your kindness and support.

Obviously I’m a newbie at this and I did everything by the book, so after the 24 hours passed I made the safety hole, then after 48 hours with no progress I was told to chip away at the shell of the air cell. So I read the article and did exactly as told. But as you said he’s not ready.

My main concern is can he carry on like this or is he going to die?
He is breathing and appears comfortable aside from peeping, but he’s not fighting to get out thankfully.

As I mentioned he is a Muscovy and I was told that the doesn’t need as high of humidity then other water fowl. So at this point what do you recommend that I have the humidity at?
I need to do everything I possibly can to save this baby, as we just lost our first one this past week.
Her yolk sac was completely unabsorbed and she never piped, I did an eggtopsy to try to see why she passed away and to get some other options.
I actually sent the photos to my friends brother who is a vet, and he said that she never would have lived if she had indeed hatched because he said he could see her organs through her tummy.
It was just awful seeing that precious baby who never had a chance.

I’m including a photo. This is why I’m so terrified right now…

Thank you again for your help.

I suspect this was a malposition. See the bruise on the egg shell in the first picture? That was an attempted pip, but since it's not positioned correctly, it bruised the egg. Sometimes these hatchlings will do the internal and external pip all in one place. Assisting with these is a little more difficult but I believe Pyxis covers it in the article I shared earlier. The last one I had like this pipped internally and externally in one and unfortunately hit a vein. The little one died in the shell, but it's life was not for nothing. That little one taught me something, so I hate that it died but I'm thankful I was able to learn something because of it.

 

[New duck mommy 2021]

Oh my goodness! THANK YOU!!!!

So he wouldn’t have externally piped on his own? How can you tell? (For my knowledge in learning in the future)

I’m washed with a huge sense of relief right now, but I’m going to be a wreck until he is hatched and healthy.

So he will need a full assist? He will not hatch on his own?
Do you know what happened and why he won’t be able to hatch?
And how will I know when he is absorbed and when it’s time to assist?

I’m so sorry for all the questions I’m burdening you with, but I must do all I can to save him.
I sincerely hope that you don’t mind.

Blessings.

Babies will external pip 24-36 hours after internal
The tiny safety hole you first made at 24 hours wouldn’t stop him from making his own
That’s why I said he wasn’t able to
If he could he would have
Sometimes they get so tired trying to find that air they give up so making the hole bigger and allowing his beak to be free stops him from focusing on needing air and just relax to absorb
When they absorb the yolk they also absorb the blood veins that are attached to the yolk
Once he is ready those veins will no longer be red and safe to open the membrane
When he is ready all you will do I pick the shell from above his head area this allows him to push his head out at that point I always look inside to make sure the yolk is gone
If it’s not I place the baby in a small cup/ bowl back in bator
This keeps him from pushing out before ready
If the yolk is gone then just let bang push himself out
No need to pull him out
But again we are not at this step yet
He isn’t ready yet
All he needs is more time
Absorb and rest

 

[New duck mommy 2021]

I suspect this was a malposition. See the bruise on the egg shell in the first picture? That was an attempted pip, but since it's not positioned correctly, it bruised the egg. Sometimes these hatchlings will do the internal and external pip all in one place. Assisting with these is a little more difficult but I believe Pyxis covers it in the article I shared earlier. The last one I had like this pipped internally and externally in one and unfortunately hit a vein. The little one died in the shell, but it's life was not for nothing. That little one taught me something, so I hate that it died but I'm thankful I was able to learn something because of it.

This was a sad situation
This baby did bruise the egg but I didn’t get ti see the pics of the bruise in time to help unfortunately
Sorry you lost one like this

 

[New duck mommy 2021]

I want to add Amy
The reason I believe your babies are all struggling is she is a new layer
Her first eggs will be smaller and this is giving the babies less room to grow and move to hatch
I did this myself my first time hatching
I learned from my mistake not to incubate anything under 70 grams
The first eggs I did were 54-68 grans. The only 2 out of the 7 that hatched themselves were the 68 gram ones
Everyone else needed help out

 

[Farmgirl283420]

Psalm 56:3
What time I am afraid I will trust in thee

Psalm 46:1
God is our refuge and strength a very present help in trouble

I hope these verses from the Bible might help! I'll be praying for you!

 

[AmyA248]

That's the veins that I was talking about. With ducks, I never really put them on a time frame, until zipping begins. They just take so long to hatch. As long as he's not actively bleeding, what you've done so far, shouldn't be fatal. Even if there was active bleeding, death isn't guaranteed. It's difficult to keep calm at this point, I understand. If I'm not mistaken, you're a woman that prays. My advice at this point would be to take a deep breath and spend some time in prayer to help soothe yourself. Even after many assists, I still get anxious, nervous and constantly second guessing myself. You're doing just fine My friend doesn't use anything except for water to keep the membrane moistened. So whatever you use, make sure it doesn't get near the ducklings nares. Since you've got that humidity bumped up, that should help. I oftentimes use a sponge with warm water, set in the incubator. This does an incredible job in helping humidity. Are you closing the incubator while you work on the egg? That helps keep things a little warmer. I oftentimes work with a heat lamp nearby, to keep things warm while it's out of the incubator.

Thank you for your lovely message.

I am most definitely a Christian woman and I do pray to calm myself. It always helps me in times of stress.

Sometimes I’m not sure if I’m cut out for what I do, I’m also an animal rehabber/rescuer and I’ve been doing that for years. The problem that comes along with saving animals is that you will also lose some, and I’m ultra sensitive and it devastates me when that happens, but we are true animal lovers and will continue to save as many as God brings to us.
It also teaches my girls empathy, compassion and care for all living creatures.
They are young but incredibly intelligent and compassionate and eager to help.

I’m going to try to relax and go about my day. I’m going to continue to post updates as I’m sure I’ll need more help.

Blessings to you,
Amy

 

[Yardmom]

I find that Muskovies take a alot longer than other duck at every stage of the hatching. I have given eggs under my setting hens safety holes because they seem to just be taking to long. Hang in there and let iit finish absorbing veins and yolk. This baby has a good chance of making it (maybe with your help). I saw you mention the concern of too much humidity with a Muscovy. It can be a problem (I think people tend to think ducks always need more water). If moisture is to high you will start to see a green slim forming. I don't think you will have a problem with this. Your humidity should be fine where it is at. Good luck.

 

[AmyA248]

I want to add Amy
The reason I believe your babies are all struggling is she is a new layer
Her first eggs will be smaller and this is giving the babies less room to grow and move to hatch
I did this myself my first time hatching
I learned from my mistake not to incubate anything under 70 grams
The first eggs I did were 54-68 grans. The only 2 out of the 7 that hatched themselves were the 68 gram ones
Everyone else needed help out

I believe that your absolutely right!
She is very young, only 9 months old, and she has been laying eggs since January 23rd!!
I have never heard of that happening and I find it very odd.
Almost every day I find an egg in the morning, but not in her brooder box, and I have tried many times to collect the eggs and put them in her box, but she pushes them out. She just is not broody.
My incubator is at full capacity as of this morning.

 

[New duck mommy 2021]

I believe that your absolutely right!
She is very young, only 9 months old, and she has been laying eggs since January 23rd!!
I have never heard of that happening and I find it very odd.
Almost every day I find an egg in the morning, but not in her brooder box, and I have tried many times to collect the eggs and put them in her box, but she pushes them out. She just is not broody.
My incubator is at full capacity as of this morning.

My duck had an egg everyday as well but when they start they are smaller
Even after my girl who is almost 2 now took a break in winter when she started up again her eggs were small
She is just getting back up to 70 grams and over and she started back in January
I would look up what a Muscovy egg should be then weigh her egg and see if she is in the average range
I think it would be hard on them to go straight to normal size
Usually my ducks eggs weigh around 30-40 grams their first egg and works it’s way up
Here is a pic with 2 eggs
The green one was a first egg for one of my 7 month old girls
The second egg was from one of my other girls who didn’t stop through winter
Then a group of eggs from some of my ones who laid all winter and from some that just started
They are all sizes
I have 2 who lay over 80 gram eggs and some who are still at 65-68

 

[New duck mommy 2021]

@AmyA248
How is the baby doing
Is there an update on the veins