It occurred to me.. crazy egg idea

[Kiki]

 

[yellowherb]

Spritzed 91% alcohol from Experiment #2.
ALL eggs are developing SUCESS!!!

This works. I can clearly see the development in all of the sprayed and wrapped eggs, control included(it was not wrapped).

 

[Kiki]

CONGRATS! Good work!
Thanks for the info!

 

[yellowherb]

Now I need to find someone who is willing to do experiment #2, but mail the eggs to me I will pay for the eggs and shipping.
They also need to set a control group of their own eggs, same number preferably. Then we can compare notes on rates of development, fertility and hatch rates.

I think we should be able to get 70-80% good eggs versus the normal 40-50% starting to develop on normal shipped.

Anyone want to sell me some eggs that they are willing to sanitize and wrap after collection?

Would prefer to get the eggs from there to here within the week time frame, if possible. The control group could be started before or after or during.. just to get a control to judge just how harsh shipping is on this new fangled way of preserving eggs.

I'm looking for 4 eggs. Or it could be 8. 4 which are sanitized and wrapped and 4 with normal way of shipping which may be bubble wrap or anything goes. Can compare air cells and wonkiness of non wrapped vs wrapped as well as how well they do while incubating.

 

[Kiki]

Now I need to find someone who is willing to do experiment #2, but mail the eggs to me I will pay for the eggs and shipping.
They also need to set a control group of their own eggs, same number preferably. Then we can compare notes on rates of development, fertility and hatch rates.

I think we should be able to get 70-80% good eggs versus the normal 40-50% starting to develop on normal shipped.

Anyone want to sell me some eggs that they are willing to sanitize and wrap after collection?

Would prefer to get the eggs from there to here within the week time frame, if possible. The control group could be started before or after or during.. just to get a control to judge just how harsh shipping is on this new fangled way of preserving eggs.

I'm looking for 4 eggs. Or it could be 8. 4 which are sanitized and wrapped and 4 with normal way of shipping which may be bubble wrap or anything goes. Can compare air cells and wonkiness of non wrapped vs wrapped as well as how well they do while incubating.

sit tight...I got an idea of who could send you some. bbiaf

 

[Curnow]

Oh, this is sooooo interesting!

 

[campingshaws]

The alcohol didn't seem to affect the bloom any?

Hi, I ship eggs. When I do I wrap them individually in bubble wrap, snug like a burrito. Then I wrap the entire thing in duct or packing tape, so it's sealed. I pack into a small plastic food storage container, stuffing in newspaper as needed so there is NO movement. Then I put that in a larger shipping box with an egg carton, bits of styrofoam or cardboard, air packs, or newspaper wedging it in place. I shake the whole thing, listening for movement. Then sealed and away it goes. The two-box system makes room for "crushing" that always seems to happen in transit. I don't ship eggs that are more than 3 days old, and I only ship Monday-Wednesday, so the box doesn't spend the weekend in the Post office.

Of my four shipments (so far), three arrived 100% intact. The first shipment did not have the two-box system and had two eggs with hairline cracks. They've average roughly 30% wonky aircells and have overall had about 90% development through lockdown-- no scrambling. Unfortunately none has hatched well, so I've got 38 of my own set right now to test hatch ability.

I have svart honas.

 

[yellowherb]

The alcohol didn't seem to affect the bloom any?

Hi, I ship eggs. When I do I wrap them individually in bubble wrap, snug like a burrito. Then I wrap the entire thing in duct or packing tape, so it's sealed. I pack into a small plastic food storage container, stuffing in newspaper as needed so there is NO movement. Then I put that in a larger shipping box with an egg carton, bits of styrofoam or cardboard, air packs, or newspaper wedging it in place. I shake the whole thing, listening for movement. Then sealed and away it goes. The two-box system makes room for "crushing" that always seems to happen in transit. I don't ship eggs that are more than 3 days old, and I only ship Monday-Wednesday, so the box doesn't spend the weekend in the Post office.

Of my four shipments (so far), three arrived 100% intact. The first shipment did not have the two-box system and had two eggs with hairline cracks. They've average roughly 30% wonky aircells and have overall had about 90% development through lockdown-- no scrambling. Unfortunately none has hatched well, so I've got 38 of my own set right now to test hatch ability.

I have svart honas.

The alcohol had no effect at all on the eggs other than sterilizing them. I'm still running the test on dirty poopy eggs, but on clean eggs from under the hens, there was no change in the eggs condition from the alcohol spray.

What could be happening from your description of the eggs is that they are already 3 days old when you ship. If they are not wrapped during that 3 day aging process they are evaporating a little every day. After so much evaporation from inside the egg, no matter how safely and securely you package them they will have internal movement inside the eggs. That's where the problem with hatchability is happening.

Think of a mason jar and something inside the jar. If you fill the jar to the very top and shake it hard the something in the jar has less movement than if you have the same jar but only 3/4 to 7/8 full, the less amount of liquid in the jar the more movement of the item in the jar...now think of the egg yolk as the item in the jar and the egg shell as the jar, the egg white as the liquid in the jar. So the more liquid (white) you keep in the egg the less that yolk is going to move around and be damaged.

Your packaging sounds amazing. I think if you take room temperature eggs and bubble wrap them securely right away you may see a difference in how much evaporation happens before shipment.

 

[yellowherb]

UPDATES
Eggsperiment #1 (wrapped, 1 had mold spots and I did not set that one just in case it created havoc in my incubator)
The control egg was not fertile. Others developing well.

Eggsperiment #2 (91% Alcohol sprayed, wrapped and aged for a week)
100% developing well, even the unwrapped control

Eggsperiment #3A (Heavily poopy eggs 91% Alcohol drenched, air dried and wrapped)
Looks great, today is day 7.

Eggsperiment #3B (heavily poopied, wrapped but not sprayed)
I don't see anything growing on the eggs(mold), just dried poo.


What do you guys think? Give these eggs another week or set today at one week aging?
These were the last of my experimental eggs. I've sold my adult flock and waiting on my young ones to grow out.

You guys who have eggs, feel free to take over the EGGSperiments I'll enjoy following along.

 

[yellowherb]

Actually... Thinking about it. I have some old eggs Pure lazy on my part as they are dirty and I didn't want to feed them to my caged birds and I haven't washed them or anything.

The air cells aren't huge on them, but larger than fresh eggs. I can have the eggs absorb water (boil sterilized well water from my tap) and attempt to get the air cells back to a small size, then set the eggs. I doubt this will work, but what the hay! I've got a few eggs left and a crazy brain wondering now.

EGGsperiment #4. Water absorption to get a small air cell back in older eggs to see if this improves development % of old eggs.
Eggs are about a week old and have just sat on my dining room table for that time.

I'll have a 3 egg control group which are just as they are. A week old no turning, nothing.
Test group will be 3 eggs. 1 week old, no turning during that time. I've picked out 1 poopy egg and 2 reasonably clean ones
Water soak will include a little dash of alcohol (so scientific) just because it's well water.
I will mark and photo the before and after air cell sizes and update after the eggsperiment is running.

Experiment 4 is fail. I can not get them to absorb water even after hours sitting in bowls of water lol