It occurred to me.. crazy egg idea

[yellowherb]

There wouldn't be much point in hatching an older egg if bird quality were compromised.

I totally agree.

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Okay love this thread especially since it is supporting data I have been reading on HR from scientific studies on variables that effect HR.

Alcohol based on the studies does not preform as well as other stuff... also the studies say the sooner you disinfect after laying the better.

I am going to try and find an old text on sealing hatching eggs I thought was just hokum but your experiments may actually support that, plus a study using a natural product from bees that disinfects also seemed to seal in moisture and those eggs did the best becuase they did not loose moisture internally is on the net.

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Found the text: When you guys read it I am sure you will be saying "no way" too... but they do site before the part I am posting that it is the moisture loss through the pores of the egg that causes the egg to die. I know no one who has tried this let alone for the length of time suggested it could last. I do think temperature would have to be controlled to keep the egg in the dormant state. But here is an old way of preserving hatching eggs:

From: Game Fowls, Their Origin and History with a Description of the Breeds, Strains, and Crosses. The American and English Modes of Feeding, Training, and Heeling; How to Breed and Cross, Improving Quality and Preserving Feather, Together with a Description and Treatment of all Diseases Incident to Game Fowls: By J.W. Cooper, M.D., Standard Edition, 1869


“The cutting off of the access offer to the embryo in the egg does not kill or prevent its being hatched, but on the contrary preserves it alive for a much longer period than if otherwise treated—By covering the egg with a spirit varnish we have produced chickens from eggs of two years’ keeping. The following is the recipe :—Dissolve some gum shellac in sufficient quantity of alcohol to make a thin varnish; give each egg a coat, and after they become thoroughly dry pack them closely in barn sawdust, with their points downward in such a manner that they cannot shift about. After you have kept them as long as you desire, wash the varnish carefully off with alcohol, and they will be in the same state as the where before packing, ready either for eating or hatching. This is beyond doubt the best and safest method known and has been amply tested.”

Page 242


Would make for an interesting experiment I think.

 

[WVduckchick]

Interesting stuff @Lauravonsmurf !! Wow. Someone has got to try it!

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

This study backs up the plastic bag idea... they used plastic bags!

https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...atching-eggs/CCCA200AB61F72879556E63F389299D2

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Also one of the guys on another thread got mailed hatching eggs and one was cracked but the membrane intact, he put it in the trash than changed his mind, put scotch tape over the crack and successfully incubated it. Another BYC member is now trying to save a fertilized egg using this method too. Cross fingers folks... if it works I will report back.

 

[duluthralphie]

Not going to be me using 150 year old wives tale to hatch my eggs... I prefer adding my moisture as I go..

I think if you add something to prevent moisture loss before incubation you might be onto something.. However when incubation starts you need an exchange of air, which means moisture will be loss or gained too.. or the embryo will suffocate. And all of a sudden we are miles from the intend of the thread,,,Sorry OP,

 

[WVduckchick]

Also one of the guys on another thread got mailed hatching eggs and one was cracked but the membrane intact, he put it in the trash than changed his mind, put scotch tape over the crack and successfully incubated it. Another BYC member is now trying to save a fertilized egg using this method too. Cross fingers folks... if it works I will report back.

there are lots of success stories of incubations with scotch tape, medical fabric tape, all kinds of things used for cracks. wax, glue, etc.

Not going to be me using 150 year old wives tale to hatch my eggs... I prefer adding my moisture as I go..

I think if you add something to prevent moisture loss before incubation you might be onto something.. However when incubation starts you need an exchange of air, which means moisture will be loss or gained too.. or the embryo will suffocate. And all of a sudden we are miles from the intend of the thread,,,Sorry OP,

i don't understand Ralphie. I didn't see any method where incubation was different. Just different methods of pre-incubation storage or care of the eggs.

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Lol. I don't expect anyone to think the sealing method would work, when I read it I chuckled too... but with seeing results with plastic bags, finding a study on plastic bags, and a disinfectant that sort of wax coats the eggs preserving moisture resulting in better incubation rates in another study... I had to toss it up for thought, could this remotely work? Did people do this back then for real?

I am also struck by how much the guy writing this book did know: The moisture loss issue shows up in the old books to my surprise, including adding moisture to eggs towards end of incubation... the text is just to crazy I agree but what is interesting is one they were aware it is moisture loss, two they knew dormant eggs do not need to breath, and three they discussed sealing the eggs to extend storage... 2 years seems a stretch to me too. But if no one tests it how do we know it is hokum? Old knowledge is not necessarily wrong, might not be right either.

Since the text suggest shellaced eggs are editable I poked about and the technique is still used today!

This is about prepping your food supplies for your voyages on your ship... I think we are talking maybe months here from my looking around the net.

"The other option is to seal the eggs individually, so that they won't dry out even after the inside pulls away from the shell. The most common things to use are mineral oil, shellac, or vaseline, but there are actually food grade sealants made for the purpose. In fact, when eggs are sent a long distance commercially, they're often sealed first. These eggs are also usually cleaned in a mild bleach (or other sanitizing) solution, which you might consider yourself if you want to add an extra step. When they're dry, to seal the eggs, brush or smear each with the sealant of your choice. Shellac is popular because it won't get whatever you pack the eggs in all greasy, and it helps strengthen the shell (slightly), but it requires that you paint one side, let it dry, and then paint the other. By the way: Shellac is a natural product derived from the excretions of an insect - whether that makes you feel better or worse about using it is entirely a matter of taste."

 

[duluthralphie]

there are lots of success stories of incubations with scotch tape, medical fabric tape, all kinds of things used for cracks. wax, glue, etc.



i don't understand Ralphie. I didn't see any method where incubation was different. Just different methods of pre-incubation storage or care of the eggs.

I was not sure in reading it. If we are talking pre-incubation storage I think it makes sense to cut moisture loss. I thought it seemed like incubation would done with a barrier in place.


Which i why I said this:

I think if you add something to prevent moisture loss before incubation you might be onto something.. However when incubation starts you need an exchange of air, which means moisture will be loss or gained too..