Just when I think I've heard it all about horses and ponies

I was not attacking anyone on here about their horses. I was expressing how I saw horses now days compared to how the horses were that I grew up around and was around.

It was a general observation about how they are different from what I knew and from all the people I grew up with who had horses knew.

At no time did I direct it at you nor attacked you. I did reply, but it was not an attack. You mentioned about not knowing where or how I grew up around horses and I simply answered that. I explained where, and how.

If anything, I feel attacked. Have I at any time put my print in bold font? How long was your post compared to other people's posts? Your post did come across as an attack at me. But I did not try to attack back, I only tried to answer your questioning and your points that you said you did not know about me.

I would like to address this statement by you: "If I can't move my rear and get over to the feed store before he runs out of feed, then maybe I should get a parakeet instead."

When living in a very rural area ----all towns around for at least 60 miles are population of under 1,000 people and many even just a few hundred people--- there are not a lot of feed places to get horse food. When you live 5-10 miles out in the country and you have bad snow, ice, even blizzard that you can not get to town or away from your own home for a week (and once more than two weeks), it is not possible to get to a feed store. And once there, there is a very good chance it may not be open, from the weather. We all had our horses at our homes, not at stables that had the pleasure of having food in bulk on hand all the time. BTW: the town that was at least 60 miles away and had a population over 1,000 was too big to have 'country' stuff and had no horse food nor farm animal food.

Maybe you have not lived in the part of small town America where the next town is 10, 20, 30 miles away. The town I lived closest to had 600 people: it had one grocery store, a dime store, a couple gas stations, a small restaurant that was open only in the summer. All those closed by 4:00 or 5:00 every night. The closest town that had a place to by horse food was 30 miles away. When I was grown and married, we lived over 5 miles outside of that town that had the store with horse feed. I already told you what happened in bad weather, for being able to get into town.

Our horses were not show horses. They were working horses (farm horses for herding cattle or rounding up cows) that we also rode for pleasure, and shows were on someone's cleared farm ground that they donated to use. Just an open field, with sometimes had and sometimes didn't have a small short rail fence around the 'arena'. Horses were brought in by trailers and often in the back of farm trucks. The horses were straight out of the fields.

None us had money for stables, nor the jumper shows, dressage, etc. I am not saying that those are bad things, but I am explaining that those were not the kind of horses we had nor the kind of shows nor riding we did. But the horses were used every bit as hard riding as you said you do. A weakling horse does not last long on a real farm and farming community. They were not neglected, nor was vet care kept away from them. They were a very necessary part of life on a farm, and you darn well had to take good care of them. You didn't have money to just go out and buy another one, and to most people they also were an important part of the family. Not just an animal like cows or pigs (which their whole purpose was to kill for food, or sell to killer for food).

Maybe the horses you grew up around, 26 years ago, are no different from the ones you are around today , however they are different to me and to everyone else I grew up with. Sounds like we had much different lives and much different experiences. I do not resent you for yours and do not attack you for yours; please respect me and my different life I had.
 
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Are you saying you'd run out of the grain portion of the diet or the hay?

I don't have a major problem (barring horses who cannot eat hay and can only eat concentrates) skipping meals on grain if in a pinch, but I could never, EVER support running out of hay and missing meals.

And I live 25 minutes from any substantial town
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We winter fed horses, summer was pasture only. Everyone raised their horses this way (the entire area - at least 100 miles radius) where I grew up. They always had plenty of grass to eat and were not starved.

Winter feed was a mix of 1 part oats, 1 part corn, 1/2 part sweet feed. When the temps got super low, you would increase the corn for more body heat. Plenty of hay. Grains was twice a day, hay was twice to three times a day. Our horses never missed a meal, but they may go without an ingredient for a few days or week or so.

Not being a stable and usually only having so much room in a barn, we did not keep on hand large amounts of grains. We did not run out of everything at one time, but might run out of one of the ingredients of the mixture. Would do without that specific ingredient until weather permitted getting into town or if the horse feed store or even grain elevator was out themselves, another day or two without that ingredient.

We were not large enough to have our own hay fields. (others around us were able to have their own hay fields and had a full supply year around). Those of us who did not have a field to supply for a winter, had to purchase where we could get it. Farmers who had extra and were willing to sell some (which was never enough for an entire winter, so you may buy from several different farmers) or the farm auction (only one in the area, it was 20-25 miles from us and was held on Wednesdays.) So hay for food usually came from many different farms.

We had a very very large horse population in the part of central Illinois I came from. You usually didn't go a few miles down a road with out seeing horses in fields. I can not think of any road or highway that we ever traveled that you did not see horses in fields.
 
Maybe the horses you grew up around are no different from the ones 26 years ago, however they are different to me and to everyone else I grew up with. Sounds like we had much different lives and much different experiences. I do not resent you for yours and do not attack you for yours; please respect me and my different life I had.

I realize this was directed at welsummerchicks, but I feel like I need to point out that while you may not resent or attack her, you aren't exactly being respectful of Wellie's experience either, even though you are asking for respect from her. Around here Wellie has a reputation for answering as fully and completely as she knows how. And she is passionate in her opinions even when they are not the popular viewpoint. She's been offering good advice and strong opinions for a good long while and we have all come to respect her for the sincere, knowledgeable person that she is. It must take a goodly amount of time to write some of those huge posts of hers, yet she continually does it. I have to think it is because she CARES about the welfare of horses and is honestly trying to pass along some of what she has learned over the years.

I've been involved in horses all of my adult life (I'm 65) and while I don't always agree with her, welsummerchicks is one of the genuinely knowledgeable horse people I've met here. She's the real deal.

Thanks for listening.

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Sorry to tell ya, but my paint mare was (sold her when I was put on partial bed rest during a pregnancy, as it was not fair to let a young horse just sit) tough as nails, tough as a horse will ever be. Ate everything she could get a hold of, but could live on air, preferred to sleep outside in a blizzard rather then her comfy stall. Would work hard for hours and then be ready and willing for more. She turned 7 this may.


My older (21) qh gelding is a big pathetic baby. He gets fuzzy and pissy in the winter, eats a ton it seems. And when he got an abscess the size of a dime acted like he was dieing. So no, horses in my experience are not getting more fragile.
 
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Please note: 21 is not the 1960's that I grew up in. It is not even in the 26 years wellsummer pointed out.

I am talking about horses in the 1960's and 1970's, in the area of **I** grew up.
 
You had a different life and experience than me.

I and no one I knew and no one I grew up with had stables, lessons, olympic teachers who were god's gift to the horse world, and all the money for that kind of stuff. We didn't read out of 50 year old, 100 year old, or how ever old books. We didn't have them. No one had the money for that kind of stuff. For the part of Illinois I grew up in, no one had that kind of money.
 
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Please note: 21 is not the 1960's that I grew up in. It is not even in the 26 years wellsummer pointed out.

I am talking about horses in the 1960's and 1970's, in the area of **I** grew up.

And I was talking about a relative to your 60's and 70's young horse, 7 is young in comparison. Obviously horses from the 60's ad 70's are dead. They didn't make super horses then any more then they do now.


Now nobody around me breeds total crap horses. There is no money in it. Babies are made out of the best the owners can afford - mare and stud fee wise, good vet care, prenatal and for the young horse. Time, money and effort is put into these babies. In turn modern horses in my neck of the woods are living longer healthier more useful lives. Its normal to see a 25yo still doing its job and healthy. Its going to be normal in a few years to see a 30yo still doing its job and healthy.
 
No one is being cruel or nasty to you. Pointing out fact and experiences is not outrage. Not everyone is going to agree with every word you say. I'm sorry you seem to have taken constructive critiques and opinions the wrong way. Our intention is not to run you off, nearly explain that the whole big wide horse world is not exactly the same as the area you grew up in, years ago as you have pointed out.
 
I am probably coming in at the close of this thread..... I did read it all. I have had horses now 44 years... One horse at a time. Saw alot of crap saw alot of really cool stuff over the years.

I am on the West coast feeding grain here in San Diego was only for horses that are working or breeding or raising foals.... For years we only knew to feed Alfalfa.... Good choice high in all the essentials...

I started out riding Cavalry style Western saddle Posting trot. Horse trainer that would crack us on the behind with her riding crop if we didn't post lightly. Her grandpa was a Canadian Mountie. She had had stables all over the world. I got tired of being dumped every time I rode so I took a dressage lesson..... And learned how to really ride a horse... from there I learned the fine art of Long lining and eventually fell in love with Carriage driving.

We had colic then.... the horses just died from it. Hours of walking sometimes Belladonna worked.....

Worming was quarts of poison pumped up through the nose down to the stomach. We didn't do it often. Or we fed them a pack of cigarettes.

And we were progressive.

I too took a break 1989 to 1999. When I came back I jumped into the world of the heavy horse. And got an eye opening.....

Equine Polysaccaride Storage Myopthia (not spelled right for sure) EPSM. The diagnoses is new the diet is pretty cool. Heavy horses are prone to it but any heavy muscled horse can have the characteristics.

I guess the point is there are new things new discoveries new techniques with regard to Husbandry. Its all dependent on where you live what feed is available what you do with your horse.... and on and on. I was told Draft horses dont handle the heat when i bought my mare..... She is happily stuffing her face at home in 105 temps all two thousand pounds of her. I discovered the merits of Bermuda... and Free feeding. My land has no grass.... there is no pasture here.... Annual rain fall is between 7 and 10 inches most years.

I think to be a good equestrian you have to be flexible and informed. Take note of what is important to you and discard the rest not as insignificant but as not applicable.
 

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