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I saw that thread, and read part of it. I stopped reading after a bit though.

This is partly why I am trying to get my own flocks going so I can hatch out my own birds, too - for meat as well as eggs. Not that I wouldn't join the fight against this, but I figure I'd be better prepared to sustain my own flocks if I have what I want to have now - and can get what I need locally.

With all the oogy boogy about the bird flu coming up again, I wouldn't doubt that it might go further than a lot of folks think - they would be willing to stop shipping birds and eggs just to "save us" from something that doesn't exist in the US at this time.

Add to that the article in the current Mother Earth News about how factory farms are causing antibiotic resistance and disease, and our food supply might be in more danger than we think. In the politician's mind farm = farm, whether it is a backyard operation or a huge factory farm.

It just makes me want to hole up down here on the farm and hide from the rest of the world, some days. (well, maybe more often than "some"
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When people are trying their best to go back to self sufficiency, and smaller farming practices - the last thing they should do is to stop shipments of birds and eggs. It is the smaller farm practices that will stop the overuse of antibiotics and the disease laden practices of the huge farms.

They'd do better to promote the backyard farm practices and limit the use and availablity of so many antibiotics and other medications that are being used to "put on more weight" or "produce more eggs", and stop trying to give the public what they think the public wants.

Even on this forum - if someone (anyone) starts a thread on dual purpose birds for meat - they get condescending remarks from over half the people who answer the thread - telling them to "just buy Cornish Cross", and if they don't then "they won't get what they see in the stores". And it is not just "members" who say these things. Everyone is so sure that they know what you REALLY meant to ask for, that they ignore your question - and they tell you what you REALLY want to do - not what you were researching, and planning in the first place.

That is why I no longer start threads (and rarely answer threads) when someone mentions dual purpose birds for meat production on here. I learned my lesson. I have spoken with others in PM who have learned the hard way, also, not to ask the "forbidden questions".
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I went off on another path there ... sorry
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meri
 
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Anyway....
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I went out tonight to chase the few girls who braved the cold back into the coop, so I could let them warm up a bit before dark. George and most of the girls were already inside (as were the ducks), but the two BA, and Spazz and Cinn were out still. (and Jr. is nowhere to be found, but she does that from time to time - she always comes back the next day).

They were all in the garage and there was blood everywhere!!!! None of the four girls had any injuries, so I shooed them to the coop and started checking everyone - and George was splatter covered in blood all over his feathers and head, back, everywhere. Poor guy, I figure he must have gotten cold and his comb got numb and he shook his head and hit it on something. I was holding him (he was not pleased about that
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) and checking him over, and the bleeding has stopped pretty much, but he is a mess.

His comb has two places on it that were damaged - not badly, but enough to bleed like a stuck pig. He sprayed blood all over the garage - on hubby's mowers, tractors, the wagon, anything in a circle with a good 5 foot diameter - he must have shook his head around when he did it. He had some frostbite a tiny bit on one tip of his comb - but that one was not one of the ones he damaged.

The garage looked like something out of a slasher movie
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Shades of Quentin Tarantino.... Poor George, that must have hurt
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He'll be fine, though, no major harm done - it looks much worse than it is, but thank goodness I saw the damage was not too bad, or I would have thought the guy was gonna die (or was already dead.)

Who knew a little cut on a rooster comb could bleed so darn much!!

got to go make dinner now...
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be back later -
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Mojo Chick'n :

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I saw that thread, and read part of it. I stopped reading after a bit though.

This is partly why I am trying to get my own flocks going so I can hatch out my own birds, too - for meat as well as eggs. Not that I wouldn't join the fight against this, but I figure I'd be better prepared to sustain my own flocks if I have what I want to have now - and can get what I need locally.

With all the oogy boogy about the bird flu coming up again, I wouldn't doubt that it might go further than a lot of folks think - they would be willing to stop shipping birds and eggs just to "save us" from something that doesn't exist in the US at this time.

Add to that the article in the current Mother Earth News about how factory farms are causing antibiotic resistance and disease, and our food supply might be in more danger than we think. In the politician's mind farm = farm, whether it is a backyard operation or a huge factory farm.

It just makes me want to hole up down here on the farm and hide from the rest of the world, some days. (well, maybe more often than "some"
wink.png
)

When people are trying their best to go back to self sufficiency, and smaller farming practices - the last thing they should do is to stop shipments of birds and eggs. It is the smaller farm practices that will stop the overuse of antibiotics and the disease laden practices of the huge farms.

They'd do better to promote the backyard farm practices and limit the use and availablity of so many antibiotics and other medications that are being used to "put on more weight" or "produce more eggs", and stop trying to give the public what they think the public wants.

Even on this forum - if someone (anyone) starts a thread on dual purpose birds for meat - they get condescending remarks from over half the people who answer the thread - telling them to "just buy Cornish Cross", and if they don't then "they won't get what they see in the stores". And it is not just "members" who say these things. Everyone is so sure that they know what you REALLY meant to ask for, that they ignore your question - and they tell you what you REALLY want to do - not what you were researching, and planning in the first place.

That is why I no longer start threads (and rarely answer threads) when someone mentions dual purpose birds for meat production on here. I learned my lesson. I have spoken with others in PM who have learned the hard way, also, not to ask the "forbidden questions".
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I went off on another path there ... sorry
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meri

I know but the bird flu has already made it herenow the found it in a flock of turkeys at a turkey farm thier was a couple thousand that had it!​
 
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Oh, poor George!! I bet it's just like if you cut your face, it bleeds everywhere!!

We got the silkies & babies tractor out of the mud, well, sort of anyway. We put some of that black paper board (whatever the heck it is!) down underneath it, so at least they don't have a puddle of water or mud to walk in! The silkies were holed up by their tractor all day! They love the rain, but I guess the snow is a bit much for them!

I decided to put Dumpling in with the millies. So far so good. The rooster jumped on her as soon as I put her in there, but other than that she was okay. She has been squatting every time I go to touch her, so she was looking for love anyway! And that cochin roo is mean!! I'm sure she would have gotten beat up in there. Maybe I'll start my own mille cochin project, though I'm not sure what colors you are supposed to mix for it!
 
Mojo Chick'n :

I talked to Cindy tonight -

They are fine, her internet is out, but she has power.

So if she isn't on for awhile, that's why.

meri

Oh that's good. I haven't been able to call her yet. I've been real busy, and getting driven crazy by my kid! At least she hasn't lost power.​
 
I found the article on the turkeys - here is a link

http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUSN1128361120070712

it basically says they had antibodies to a lower form of the flu, but no evidence they actually had the flu - they were all killed anyway. None of them were sick or showed other signs of being ill with bird flu. The form they had the antibodies for was not the higher risk form that could pass to humans, but it could, in theory, morph into a form that could pass to humans.

the article said... "The turkeys showed no signs of illness, and there was no mortality. Thus far, there is no evidence the virus is actually present in the samples collected. The testing detected only antibodies, which indicate possible past exposure to the virus."

So, I suppose it is a concern, but it wasn't the more severe bird flu. I hope that folks (not us, I mean the general public) will read the facts before going into a panic.

But, you know that this sort of thing is just fuel for the fire of special interest groups who want to A) document and regulate all animals or B) stop the animal trade from continuing.

Thanks for the heads up, Tyler.

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I know but what about people that take there dog with them on vacations and have to put them in the luggage part of the plain that is the same as shipping! but i hope i dont go through no hatchuries around us anywhere! i think someone should open one here in ky!
 
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actually there is one in KY - they have a few chickens, mostly it is game birds (quail and the like) Look up Lake Cumberland Gamebird Farm and Hatchery. It is over by Monticello. (close to me, shelley and cindy) I haven't ever bought form them, or spoken with them, but they have pics of their farm up on the site - looks like a nice place.

They're also working on a store so people can pick up stuff rather than have it shipped.

meri
 
Mojo Chick'n :

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actually there is one in KY - they have a few chickens, mostly it is game birds (quail and the like) Look up Lake Cumberland Gamebird Farm and Hatchery. It is over by Monticello. (close to me, shelley and cindy) I haven't ever bought form them, or spoken with them, but they have pics of their farm up on the site - looks like a nice place.

They're also working on a store so people can pick up stuff rather than have it shipped.

meri

Well i know bout that one there very expencive and not many bantams if any at all
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