Large Fowl Cochin Thread

[Rare Feathers Farm]

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OOOH I hate this chicken math..

I just dont have enough and then I went and got my first Standard gold laced roo ( 7 weeks) I had to have one.. his daddy is a gold laced barred.. OMGoodness he was so beautiful I had to have one of his boys. chose the one who I felt would be the most like his daddy and the largest.. got him home. and Darn.... Now Ive got to get him some girls.. thinking I need 3 - 4 hens for him .. and really want to keep with the gold ( his momma was a gold as well) so I need to get to know ya'll, Im up the road in Upstate SC.

chickens and checkbooks.. If I had checks I thought I had money.. hahaha.. now chickens.. Ive got to be careful. Ill be one of those crazy chicken horders and be on a reality show.. hahaha..

I would LOVE to see some pics of your birds..

The best GLCs I have been able to find have been from Tom Roebuck and Roland Doerr. I have seen nothing else available that is even close to the same quality, and I hatched a bunch last year from a number of sources. They were all small, poorly laced and of poor type. Add the vulture hocks in and I didn't keep a single one for breeding. My trio from Mr. Doerr is decent, but still needs improvement.

As far as I know, Tom's not offering any GLCs yet--or least the last I heard he wasn't....he has been crossing GL Wyandottes into his flock to improve lacing as of last year. The trio I had from Roland's lines were very leggy, (lacked in type) and their lacing was too dark. I also had a temperament issue with the roo. I have one hen from his lines that I kept. She's a little darker than I'd like but she's the largest hen I have.

I've never seen vulture hocks in anything other than the Ideal hatchery line of GLC's which had decent lacing, but weren't much better than bantams and some had odd combs.

I sold those to a lady that wanted some "pretty" hens to sit on some eggs for her.

They are a long way off from being anywhere near where they need to be...they are very much in need of people to work with them. I set over 100 eggs this season in hopes of a workable pair or trio in the end.

 

[SunnyCalifornia]

What are "vulture hocks"? I'm new to cochins, and chicken breeding as well. It sounds funny to me, to introduce a whole different breed in order to get a certain color, then to try to breed out the traits of that breed! But from what I've been reading, its not uncommon at all!

 

[Smokehouse13]

Hi Everybody, I was wondering if you can help me out,
I have looked over the Standards of perfection book and they state that LF Black Cochin's leg coloring to be black or willow/slate and the feet to be yellow. The beginning says all Cochins have yellow legs and feet , but if you read further down on the Black Cochin that is where it say it .
Have I read this wrong, what is the correct leg and feet coloring on LF Black Cochin????
Any help I do appreciate

 

[dak]

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Vulture hocks are stiff feathers that come off the back of the hock of the bird. They are a DQ.

 

[sjarvis00]

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Vulture hocks are stiff feathers that come off the back of the hock of the bird. They are a DQ.

they will look more like an extension of the wing, long, hard feathering trailing back from the hock of the bird. It is noticeable as they get some age on them. the chicks naturally develop feathering at the hock in the first few weeks do not mistake this as vulture hocks let them get some age on them.

 

[ccshambhala]

I would love to see pics of nice quality mottled and barred large fowl cochins in this thread (they're my favs)

 

[cochinman2005]

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Standardized varieties are:
black
blue
white
buff
partridge
gold laced
silver laced
barred
brown

Non-standardized varieties that I know of are:
lemon blue
brown red
red
columbian
mottled


I didn't have my Standard of Perfection handy so I may have missed one or two but I think this is close. I have always wanted to make birchen large fowl cochins but after several attempts I gave that one up. I am working on browns and brown reds. The browns were once shown in very good quality by several breeders and about 30 years ago or so they went the way of the dinosaur. The genetics still exist so I am trying to find the combination. I am also working on Mottled which are a very striking variety, I have hatched about 100 of these this year.
Tom, did I miss any?

Blessings to all,


Bo

Nope, you got all the recognized varieties.

Also, to clarify some of the other entries regarding AOV. You can show any of the varieties that Bo mentioned above in his list of Non-Standard varieties as those colors. For instance if you are filling out your entry form for the show for a Large Mottled Cochin, you'd enter it as a Mottled Cochin. The AOV comes into play only when there are awards for AOV, which is fairly rare, and then it's usually considered AOV (all other varieties) other than Black or White when awards come into play. Now, there are occasions when AOV would be considered an appropriate submission on the entry form, but that's usually when you don't know what variety it is. I see this alot with Ameraucanas, and those are normally hatchery birds whose only real claim to the Ameraucana breed type is that they lay blue/green eggs. They got a dose of the dominant EE genes and voila', Ameraucana.

Bo, I have a good strategy for large Birchens if you are interested. I've seen nice LF Birchens produced out of the crosses used.

 

[pinkwindsong]

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The best GLCs I have been able to find have been from Tom Roebuck and Roland Doerr. I have seen nothing else available that is even close to the same quality, and I hatched a bunch last year from a number of sources. They were all small, poorly laced and of poor type. Add the vulture hocks in and I didn't keep a single one for breeding. My trio from Mr. Doerr is decent, but still needs improvement.

As far as I know, Tom's not offering any GLCs yet--or least the last I heard he wasn't....he has been crossing GL Wyandottes into his flock to improve lacing as of last year. The trio I had from Roland's lines were very leggy, (lacked in type) and their lacing was too dark. I also had a temperament issue with the roo. I have one hen from his lines that I kept. She's a little darker than I'd like but she's the largest hen I have.

I've never seen vulture hocks in anything other than the Ideal hatchery line of GLC's which had decent lacing, but weren't much better than bantams and some had odd combs.

I sold those to a lady that wanted some "pretty" hens to sit on some eggs for her.

They are a long way off from being anywhere near where they need to be...they are very much in need of people to work with them. I set over 100 eggs this season in hopes of a workable pair or trio in the end.

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m53/Equibling/golden laced cochins/DSCN4031-1.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m53/Equibling/golden laced cochins/DSCN4029-1.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m53/Equibling/golden laced cochins/DSCN4341-1.jpg

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m53/Equibling/golden laced cochins/DSCN4351-1.jpg

In your thrid pic the roo in the back .. tell me a bit about him he is very striking.. how old etc.. Im very excited to see how my guy grows up and I find i learn alot from other birds to compair and set some expectations.. thanks for the info.. I really do like the LF... I guess that comes from years of horses and great danes... the smallest breed I have now is 2leg horn girls and they just dont tickle my fancy at all but I wanted some white eggs.. my dark Brahma were my fav.. untillllll the gold laced standard Cochin i saw this past weekend who I have one of his sons.. ( 7 weeks ols)
thanks )O(
Pink

 

[sjarvis00]

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You should be able to use a silver laced over a birchen based black, the Birchen based black will likely have black extended in the hackle and saddle to cover red and teh Silver will be dominant to Red, it would take a few years but would work.

 

[dak]

4 month old cockerel

9-10 month old trio