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A.T. Hagan :

Once more Brevard county is going to take a massive hit to local employment. I lost a lot of friends as a boy when they killed the Apollo program and their parents had to move away to where ever they could find work.

It's been over forty years since we first set foot on the Moon. Now we won't have the capacity to get one of our own astronauts into even low-Earth orbit.

A week after the launch it'll be the Russian space station and we'll be having to pay them to get us there.

Long-term development projects and political leadership that changes its mind every four to eight years is a certain recipe for wasting billions of dollars. An entire generation of manned space exploration has been lost.

I don't know about the generation being lost. Our foray into space created a heck of a lot of technological advances. For us and the world. The world is a totally different place than it was 40 years ago. We were the leaders then in technology and strength. Allegedly any technology Russia had was stolen from us by spies at the time. These days other countries are doing just as well or better. The world truly is turning flat and we are gradually turning into one big happy family. Well one big family anyway. Everything is shred and the days of American exceptional ism are pretty much over.

If you remember we didn't have anything going on as far as space until the Russians launched Sputnik. Then Kennedy kicked it into high gear. He magically got the whole country behind a common goal. We won't ever see that again. We as a country blazed the trail. We sank all the billions into the needed research to get there. Now it's time for the big money people to benefit from all the money that was spent to get where they are and take it even further.

Last I heard the Mars stuff was just a dream. There really isn't a reason for it, other than to say we did it. They want to shut down Social Security and pull medical coverage for our seniors. Where are we going to get the money to go to a dead planet. It's time for the space station to be used for big money to make bigger money. Uncle Sam can just pay for all the maintenance and repairs and subsidize the pharmaceutical companies and technological companies that will use it for 0 gravity research.

Maybe in the future when the entire world is under one central government they can afford to try to go to Mars. Let Captain Kirk do it.​
 
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Actually, there was a very clear purpose in finding the Orient... MONEY. Finding a route to China across the Atlantic would have brought untold amounts of wealth. The purpose of most exploration is for wealth or resources.

Once again, though, I have used terrible phraseology - I'm fine with sending robots to explore the Moon and Mars, but there's really no point in sending PEOPLE unless there are resources to be obtained. Too risky and too expensive with too little in return.
Sorry, I tend to be VERY practical when it comes to discussing billions of dollars.
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Still, I do see where you're coming from.

Yeah, well, that sounds like an excuse for not having kids too ....
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Somethings can't be measured without human experience... complete with it's trials and errors, pleasure and pain, loves and losses ....
 
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I don't know about the generation being lost. Our foray into space created a heck of a lot of technological advances. For us and the world. The world is a totally different place than it was 40 years ago. We were the leaders then in technology and strength. Allegedly any technology Russia had was stolen from us by spies at the time. These days other countries are doing just as well or better. The world truly is turning flat and we are gradually turning into one big happy family. Well one big family anyway. Everything is shred and the days of American exceptional ism are pretty much over.

If you remember we didn't have anything going on as far as space until the Russians launched Sputnik. Then Kennedy kicked it into high gear. He magically got the whole country behind a common goal. We won't ever see that again. We as a country blazed the trail. We sank all the billions into the needed research to get there. Now it's time for the big money people to benefit from all the money that was spent to get where they are and take it even further.

Last I heard the Mars stuff was just a dream. There really isn't a reason for it, other than to say we did it. They want to shut down Social Security and pull medical coverage for our seniors. Where are we going to get the money to go to a dead planet. It's time for the space station to be used for big money to make bigger money. Uncle Sam can just pay for all the maintenance and repairs and subsidize the pharmaceutical companies and technological companies that will use it for 0 gravity research.

Maybe in the future when the entire world is under one central government they can afford to try to go to Mars. Let Captain Kirk do it.

That last part... over my dead, bullet-filled corpse.
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Space flight is really cool stuff but is way too expensive. Let the corporations do it. They'll find a way to make money at it. Most likely lots of money.
 
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Actually, there was a very clear purpose in finding the Orient... MONEY. Finding a route to China across the Atlantic would have brought untold amounts of wealth. The purpose of most exploration is for wealth or resources.

Once again, though, I have used terrible phraseology - I'm fine with sending robots to explore the Moon and Mars, but there's really no point in sending PEOPLE unless there are resources to be obtained. Too risky and too expensive with too little in return.
Sorry, I tend to be VERY practical when it comes to discussing billions of dollars.
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Still, I do see where you're coming from.

Yeah, well, that sounds like an excuse for not having kids too ....
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Somethings can't be measured without human experience... complete with it's trials and errors, pleasure and pain, loves and losses ....

Good point.
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When it comes to massive expenses I tend to think solely in terms of monetary value, especially when the government is involved. Now, if some sort of valuable resource were discovered on a nearby planet, I'd be all for establishing a permanent base, provided we had the tech to maintain it and for fast, cheap, safe travel between worlds.
 
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Yeah, well, that sounds like an excuse for not having kids too ....
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Somethings can't be measured without human experience... complete with it's trials and errors, pleasure and pain, loves and losses ....

Good point.
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When it comes to massive expenses I tend to think solely in terms of monetary value, especially when the government is involved. Now, if some sort of valuable resource were discovered on a nearby planet, I'd be all for establishing a permanent base, provided we had the tech to maintain it and for fast, cheap, safe travel between worlds.

But how can we discover ... if we don't go .... ?

(Realizing that I can't be objective .. as I have NASA in my blood .. )
 
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Good point.
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When it comes to massive expenses I tend to think solely in terms of monetary value, especially when the government is involved. Now, if some sort of valuable resource were discovered on a nearby planet, I'd be all for establishing a permanent base, provided we had the tech to maintain it and for fast, cheap, safe travel between worlds.

But how can we discover ... if we don't go .... ?

(Realizing that I can't be objective .. as I have NASA in my blood .. )

Exactly! And if we discover them how well we get them back in our rockets that can only hold 3 people and a bit of food?(not point that at you just in general).

I total disagree that space should be left to corperations. I think it should only be governments that are allowed in to space. I belive that most of those corps that have devloped space flights only go to low-earth orbit. So in space but but not that high in space ( i think the space station is in middle earth orbit)


Ohh and dont say we can use satilites.... 'Cause it would take a farliy long time for signeals to get anywahere if we went far... Get ready for the solor storms in the next few years it could leave you with funky cell phone/ or electroincs
 
Either you are growing or you are shrinking. Either you bury your head in the sand or you look around to see what is going on.

Space exploration is expensive. Is it justified? A whole lot of technological advances came out of the space program, but as Steve said, the justification was defense. I'm not sure the technological advances justify the expense. I think they do, but that is just my opinion.

But, yeah, I feel saddened, not because of the end of the shuttle program, but because there is nothing there to replace it. We are not looking ahead and outward. To me, that means we are not growing. I don't trust private enterprise to keep us going where I'd like to see us go, which eventually is outward.
 
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Good point.
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When it comes to massive expenses I tend to think solely in terms of monetary value, especially when the government is involved. Now, if some sort of valuable resource were discovered on a nearby planet, I'd be all for establishing a permanent base, provided we had the tech to maintain it and for fast, cheap, safe travel between worlds.

But how can we discover ... if we don't go .... ?

(Realizing that I can't be objective .. as I have NASA in my blood .. )

That's why I said I'm fine with sending robots. And trust me, call ducks, if REALLY valuable resources were discovered, corporations would VERY quickly find a way to transport the stuff. Heck, with all the insanity from Einstein's theories, who knows what crazy transport methods could be discovered. If I'm not mistaken, Einstein said that the maximum speed for a solid object was 95% of the speed of light. That's frickin' fast if travel was confined to our solar system.
 

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