Layer feed WITHOUT soy??? Where???

[spookychick]

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It's less than two hours drive down I-5, so I'm planning to pick up what I need once a month, or every other month. They do have a website: http://unionpoint.com/index.html

I sent an email, and got a response rather quick, and a very nice one at that. This little mill sounds perfect as they will create individual feed blends based on a customer's preferred dietary requirements. I'm glad to give my business to a local company. And while we haven't discussed price yet, I'm fairly confident we're going to be saving quite a bit of money.

 

[lisahaschickens]

yippee! That's awesome!

 

[Wifezilla]

in my opinion, that soy site is very biased. I, too, feed soy-free to my chicks. However, soy is not "toxic health food" and "bad for you." If that were the case, a place like China that uses soy in everything wouldn't be one of the world's most populace nations.

China doesn't use soy in everything and when it is used it is fermented. This gets rid of many of the problems with soy.

Soy in the American diet is in the form of NON-fermented, highly processed flours and oils.

Try to buy mayo without soy oil sometime.​

 

[Nicola]

whats wrong with soy its made from soy beans isnt it??? humans have no problems drinking soy milk so y would it affect chickens if its in their food?

 

[Wifezilla]

"There is an increasing trend of putting soya in everything from bread and breakfast cereals to ice-cream and, of course, low-carb 'diet' products. High in protein, and very abundant and cheap, it looks like a good food to include in other foods. But, while fermented soya is okay, unfermented soya is not. And it is the unfermented soya that is used in these products today. Put bluntly, soya protein powders, soya flour, soya oil and soya milk, and foods containing them, should carry a health warning as cigarettes do. Here's why:

1. Soya prevents weight loss.

Most people go on any diet to lose weight. But soya powerfully suppresses the thyroid and lowers metabolic rate. (1) The thyroid gland produces hormones that have a profound effect on our bodies' metabolism ? the rate at which our bodies use energy. This in turn has implications for the cause and treatment of obesity. It also affects such seemingly unrelated things as blood cholesterol levels. Twenty-five grams of soya protein isolate contains 50 - 70 mg of isoflavones. Yet it took only 45 mg of isoflavones in premenopausal women to exert significant biological effects, including a reduction in hormones needed for adequate thyroid function. These effects continued for three months after they stopped eating the soya. (2) A lower metabolic rate makes weight gain more likely and weight loss more difficult. Thus soya is the last thing anyone who is concerned about their weight should eat.

2. Soya inhibits protein absorption.

Soya contains protease inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion. These produce serious gastric distress and reduce protein digestion to cause chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors cause enlargement and pathological conditions of the pancreas, including cancer. (3)

3. Soya upsets hormones.

Soya also decreases female reproductive hormones: oestrone, LS and FSH. (4) And causes menstrual disturbances in premenopausal women.(5) In 1992 the Swiss health service estimated that 100 grams of soya protein provided the oestrogenic equivalent of the Pill.(6) And with that in mind, what of its effects on children and men?

4. Soya harms children.

Isoflavones in infancy are probably the greatest cause for concern as they are likely to affect the way a child develops. Soya consumption has been linked to numerous disorders, including infertility, increased cancer and infantile leukaemia, and studies dating back to the 1950s showed that genistein in soya caused disrupted hormone production in animals. (7) Laboratory studies also suggest that isoflavones inhibit synthesis of oestradiol and other steroid hormones. Several species of animals including mice, cheetah, quail, pigs, rats, sturgeon and sheep displayed reproductive problems, infertility, thyroid disease and liver disease due to dietary isoflavones. In 1998, investigators reported that circulating concentrations of isoflavones in infants fed soya-based baby formula were 13,000 to 22,000 times higher than plasma oestradiol concentrations in infants fed baby formula made with cow's milk. (8) Infants fed soya milk or other soya products may develop hormone abnormalities such as delayed genital formation in boys and early menstruation in girls. (8). An infant exclusively fed on soya formula receives the oestrogenic equivalent (based on body weight) of at least five birth control pills per day. (9) By contrast, almost no phytoestrogens have been detected in dairy-based infant formula or in human milk.

5. Soya increases cancer risk.

Soya increases the growth rate of breast cancer cells.(10) Soya increases progesterone activity and more breast cell growth in menstruating women. (11). And some researchers believe the rapid increase in liver and pancreatic cancer in Africa is due to the introduction of soya products there.(12)

6. Soya ulcerates the gut.

Pigs in the USA fed soya in their diets were found to have hopelessly ulcerated intestines. Advice from the US soya industry's website advised farmers to strictly limit soya fed to pigs (13) Although no human trials have been done for ethical reasons, there is no reason to suppose the same will not happen in humans.

7. Soya increases risk of deficiency diseases.

Lastly, soya beans have one of the highest phytic acid levels of any grain or legume that has been studied.(14) This is important because phytic acid binds with minerals to form phytates that are not absorbed from the intestine. This leads to a wide range of nutritional deficiency diseases. The mineral most affected by soya is zinc. (15) Soya-based infant formula is particularly harmful because zinc is needed for proper development and functioning of the brain and nervous system. It also plays a role in protein synthesis and collagen formation; it is involved in the blood-sugar control mechanism and thus protects against diabetes; it is needed for a healthy reproductive system. Zinc is a key component in numerous vital enzymes and plays a role in the immune system.

The current dramatic increases in obesity, diabetes, cancers, heart disease, etc, are a direct result of policies emanating from the USA. This present wave of low-carb dietary advice and 'low-carb' products, aimed at undoing the previous harm, also comes mainly from the USA. And, as I hope I have shown above, the 'foods' used are just as unhealthy."

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/no-joy.html

 

[girlsaint]

I came here to see if there had been any discussion about the Weston A Price foundation backing efforts to change anti-chicken city ordinances. Found this article, and I am glad I did. I stopped drinking soy milk awhile back when I heard that the soy industry knows as much now about the toxins in soy products as the tobacco industry knew about the harmful effects of smoking. More good articles here . Thanks

 

[Organics North]

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I too thought, well what about Asian cultures, they eat lots of soy.. No way am giving up Miso! The fact that in Asian cultures the soy is often fermented makes all the difference in the world.

Just start reading labels.. You will soon see processed soy is in way to many foods.

I am using an organic feed that has soy. I am trying to get away from it in my feeds though.

ON

 

[CARS]

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So you are saying that the soy industry knows that soy is causing cancer but is keeping the information secret??

 

[spookychick]

If anyone is looking for soy-free feed, and can't buy in bulk from a mill, I'm offering it for sale here: www.rainboweggfarm.com

 

[Wifezilla]

So you are saying that the soy industry knows that soy is causing cancer but is keeping the information secret??

They are aware of the fact that soy contains anti-nutrients. I think they are willfully ignorant about the role it may play in cancer cell development.​