Let's talk Golden Cuckoo Marans!

[morbius18]

first of all what color is her hatch down before we go too deep .

your F0 rooster carries quite few extra genes to be able to produce this sort of chicks .

this gene don t work well as individual ,but they work together to form pattern .

the lacing gene ( Pg ) need a Db ( dark brown ) and the Dilute Di or Mahogany Mh to form a lacing pattern dominant than the barring ( I think your F0 carries Dilute Di not Mahogany Mh )

this is a reason why you are getting only few chicks and pullets too .because the F0 rooster carries the genes and passes them to his daughter . the son get more genes from mama hen

if you want to breed that pattern you need to mate a pullet back to her sire F0 .this way you ll be helping the genes to express them selves ..

PS ; I was trying to say they come in silver too Not she is silver .she is a golden pullets for sure .

Chooks man

Ok, the chicks hatch out with brown down.

 

[cree57i]

Your F0 is certainly an interesting fellow. He has all sorts of interesting attributes. BTW, I am not going to be coming to East TN in June now.

 

[morbius18]

Your F0 is certainly an interesting fellow. He has all sorts of interesting attributes. BTW, I am not going to be coming to East TN in June now.

  

He certainly is a mixed bag of 'issues'.

I got him really cheap with a plain cuckoo hen. The person breeds straight cornish chickens and said that he couldn't get any of the birds to look alike. I guess I know why now. It is very interesting what he has produced for me now, though. I'm getting nice golden cuckoos, blue golden cuckoos, recessive whites, laced and penciled patridges.

 

[Chooks man]

Ok, the chicks hatch out with brown down.

any photos please ,so we can see what we are talking about .

the hatch down color of the chick can tell a lot about it genetic make up .

chooks man

 

[morbius18]

any photos please ,so we can see what we are talking about .

the hatch down color of the chick can tell a lot about it genetic make up .

chooks man

Two different ones here. From F0 rooster over F1 hen:

Solid brown one, looks like a pullet:

Brown barred looking, possible cockeral:

 

[Chooks man]

Two different ones here. From F0 rooster over F1 hen:

Solid brown one, looks like a pullet:





Brown barred looking, possible cockeral:

Ah my friend we can see from the color of the chicks hatch down that they are dark Brown eb/eb not ER .Not Ewh and For sure not e+.
second thing we can see they are barred so they have Barring genes too

the pattern genes. Dilute genes and other modifying genes we can t at this stage yet .

so they are partridge brown barred as chicks but when adult they look like Partridge Gold or Cream multiple laced or penciled Barred .

if we remove the Barring genes than we ll allow the lacing or the penciling to better express it self .


I guess your F0 is ER / eb s+/s+ .B/B . Di/di+. Pg/Pg and other genes

I say he has a Dilute gene Di because this gold is more of a cream plus some of his F1/F2 cockerels look him other look golden as the Standard request .without a Dilute gene.

in this situation if I was you I only breed the F1 X F1 ( between them selves ) and hatch as many as I can and see all the possible genetic combination that will show up . bigger the hatch number better will be the genetic expression . than from there I ll breed the F2 with F2 the ones they look a like in any pattern .cuckoo X cuckoo .Partridge X Partridge etc.......... to make a true F3 inbred line for that color pattern .

all this are my personal thought I could be wrong
if some one a different explanation than Welcome

chooks man

 

[morbius18]

Ah my friend we can see from the color of the chicks hatch down that they are dark Brown eb/eb not ER .Not Ewh and For sure not e+.
second thing we can see they are barred so they have Barring genes too

the pattern genes. Dilute genes and other modifying genes we can t at this stage yet .

so they are partridge brown barred as chicks but when adult they look like Partridge  Gold or Cream multiple laced or penciled  Barred .

if we remove the Barring genes than we ll allow the lacing or the penciling to  better express it self .


I guess your F0 is ER / eb  s+/s+ .B/B . Di/di+. Pg/Pg and other genes

I say he has a Dilute gene Di because this gold is more of a cream plus some of his F1/F2 cockerels look him other look golden as the Standard request .without a Dilute gene.

in this situation if I was you I only breed the F1 X F1 ( between them selves ) and hatch as many as I can and see all the possible genetic combination that will show up . bigger the hatch number better will be the genetic expression . than from there I ll breed the F2 with F2 the ones they look a like in any pattern .cuckoo X cuckoo .Partridge X Partridge etc.......... to make a true F3 inbred line for that color pattern  .

all this are my personal thought I could be wrong
if some one a different explanation than Welcome

chooks man

When I moved we downsized the flock. I ended up getting rid of the F1 single barred as he didn't get gold enough.

Right now, I have the F0 rooster, an F1 hen, 2 F2 hens from my original crossing to a F0 black copper hen.

I've restarted and used the dark laying blue copper hen as the new F0. So far I'm raising up 6 pullets and 8 cockerals from this crossing. 5 pullets and 5 cockerals are blue barred. The blue copper went broody and has 11 more under her.

I hate having to start over, but moving and having to rebuild everything from scratch caused my to have to thin everything down.

I've noticed a few chicks that look properly barred and colored, but have a little brown on the tips, like a mossiness on a black copper. Is this ER/eb showing on these?

 

[cree57i]

When I moved we downsized the flock. I ended up getting rid of the F1 single barred as he didn't get gold enough.

Right now, I have the F0 rooster, an F1 hen, 2 F2 hens from my original crossing to a F0 black copper hen.

I've restarted and used the dark laying blue copper hen as the new F0. So far I'm raising up 6 pullets and 8 cockerals from this crossing. 5 pullets and 5 cockerals are blue barred. The blue copper went broody and has 11 more under her.

I hate having to start over, but moving and having to rebuild everything from scratch caused my to have to thin everything down.

I've noticed a few chicks that look properly barred and colored, but have a little brown on the tips, like a mossiness on a black copper. Is this ER/eb showing on these?

Would any of the ones I have help you in any way? I guess I have a F1 rooster and the 2 hens. Let me know if you want any of their eggs to for your project.

 

[morbius18]

Would any of the ones I have help you in any way? I guess I have a F1 rooster and the 2 hens. Let me know if you want any of their eggs to for your project. 

Thank you for the offer, but I really like the egg color of my new F0 hen, plus I like the blue barred ones quite a bit. I'll be able to do blue over black and get more blues and black and select from those, also vastly improving egg color.

 

[Chooks man]

When I moved we downsized the flock. I ended up getting rid of the F1 single barred as he didn't get gold enough.

Right now, I have the F0 rooster, an F1 hen, 2 F2 hens from my original crossing to a F0 black copper hen.

I've restarted and used the dark laying blue copper hen as the new F0. So far I'm raising up 6 pullets and 8 cockerals from this crossing. 5 pullets and 5 cockerals are blue barred. The blue copper went broody and has 11 more under her.

I hate having to start over, but moving and having to rebuild everything from scratch caused my to have to thin everything down.

I've noticed a few chicks that look properly barred and colored, but have a little brown on the tips, like a mossiness on a black copper. Is this ER/eb showing on these?

I like the Blue crossing you made . blue hen has a really dark eggs .
now that you know your F0 ( me I say P1 stand for Parent stock 1 of the crossing ) carries different thing .So don t cross him to this new F1 .

do F1 X F1 ( Blue barred Cockerel over a Black barred pullet and Black barred cockerel over a blue barred pullets . that way you don t get a splash cuckoo if you are not interested on it .

if you hatch 25 chicks from each combination ,you should be able to see a true F2 possible expression .

I m working my self with the F1 X F1 in many of my line and I can tell you a lot stuff come out . peoples added many thing to this poor French chooks .

I never cross the F1 population to any other thing only to the F1 .

it is the only way to let the F1 express them self better by mating them together

chooks man