Let's talk Golden Cuckoo Marans!

[Chooks man]

That picture also shows a single barred male. From breeding them, the single barred males do develop this coloration pattern.

Sire single barred, showing red shoulder:


Offspring, all siblings. Singles show same coloration as the French GCM picture:




Better pic of F2 double barred, showing darkening of shoulder. Cold be that he is just young and will get darker:


F0 does show a darker shoulder, just not red:


My question is, why does the French standard show a single barred male?

Ah good question .
Why they are showing a single barred GCM rooster ?

very simple my friend .
they don t have DF double barred rooster . only Monique for my knowledge have them .

the French they are the crater of the marans ,that said does not mean they have a best strain out there or a lot varieties . not true .

I have seen a lot gorgeous and correct marans varieties out of France . Belgium .Germany . UK .

the standard of any chooks breed are made up of group of people taste and mind, doesn t mean they are alright or genetically correct .they just had a power that all .most of this peoples have no clue how the chooks genetic work .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

I think your F rooster carry the Dilute gene Di in double dose .
I do not see other reason why the color is diluted . the only gene i can think of is Di .

if this is a case than you will be able to get a double barred cockerel from the F2 with a Red/ orange hackle and lancets .

chooks man

 

[morbius18]

I think your F rooster carry the Dilute gene Di in double dose . I do not see other reason why the color is diluted . the only gene i can think of is Di . if this is a case than you will be able to get a double barred cockerel from the F2 with a Red/ orange hackle and lancets . chooks man

Here is the single barred that I retained:

I didnt keep any of the single barred with the copper hackles. This spring I will be test mating the males with the suspect dilute to see if they still throw the nicely colored pullets/hens. If so, and the color doesnt fade in the males over time, I don't plan on trying to breed for the darker hackles/shoulders. Ubless I get a really nice male from my crossing with the blue copper carrying the really dark eggs. I like the gold look compared to the copper look in the males.

 

[morbius18]

I think your F rooster carry the Dilute gene Di in double dose . I do not see other reason why the color is diluted . the only gene i can think of is Di . if this is a case than you will be able to get a double barred cockerel from the F2 with a Red/ orange hackle and lancets . chooks man

Here is the single barred that I retained:

 

[Chooks man]

Here is the single barred that I retained:

my friend if you keep loosing the red /orange shoulder soon you will say good by the golden hackle on the pullet . a same problem we are having with a black coppers .

you can go for a darker or lighter gold is just a personal test but the colored shoulder is must have . part of they genome .

I like your cockerel but I have seen you have/had a better one . they where nicely marked .

good luck

chooks man

 

[morbius18]

my friend if you keep loosing the red /orange shoulder soon you will say good by the golden hackle on the pullet . a same problem we are having with a black coppers .

you can go for a darker or lighter gold is just a personal test but the colored shoulder is must have . part of they genome .

I like your cockerel but I have seen you have/had a better one . they where nicely marked .

good luck

chooks man

I kept a single barred as backup. Mostly for his comb intially. The ones with the lighter hackles seem to take a lot longer to gold up. When they have the orange/copper hackles, it starts showing at a few months. The lighter ones take are at least 6 months old and still developing color.

But I will start selecting for the colored shoulder on the males.

 

[Chooks man]

I kept a single barred as backup. Mostly for his comb intially. The ones with the lighter hackles seem to take a lot longer to gold up. When they have the orange/copper hackles, it starts showing at a few months. The lighter ones take are at least 6 months old and still developing color.

Good observation . so there is some thing interfering with the color to pup up.

personally I ll work with the one they colors up quickly ( the darker hackle one) to breed the unknown Dilutor gene out .

so many thing has been added to the marans breed ,genetic it self does not help we need to select and purify the flock as we go . long way to go .

chooks man

 

[morbius18]

my friend if you keep loosing the red /orange shoulder soon you will say good by the golden hackle on the pullet . a same problem we are having with a black coppers .

you can go for a darker or lighter gold is just a personal test but the colored shoulder is must have . part of they genome .

I like your cockerel but I have seen you have/had a better one . they where nicely marked .

good luck

chooks man

The F0 does have darker shoulders, it's a little light and hard to photograph.

He's molting, but the lighting was good to see the darker shoulders. Wold the Dilute gene cause this to look this way?

 

[Chooks man]

The F0 does have darker shoulders, it's a little light and hard to photograph.




He's molting, but the lighting was good to see the darker shoulders. Wold the Dilute gene cause this to look this way?

I know your F0 has a colored shoulder . he is nicely marked only a problem we are saying some thing is making this copper to go so diluted .

the single barred cockerel hasn t got the shoulder color at all . that worries me .

your F2 double barred cockerel has a colored shoulder like his grand father F0 and he tend to carry the same mutation or gene too .

I m finding your work subject very interesting .

chooks man

 

[morbius18]

I know your F0 has a colored shoulder . he is nicely marked only a problem we are saying some thing is making this copper to go so diluted .

the single barred cockerel hasn t got the shoulder color at all . that worries me .

your F2 double barred cockerel has a colored shoulder like his grand father F0 and he tend to carry the same mutation or gene too .

I m finding your work subject very interesting .

chooks man

He should develop it, it took his sire quite a while to get it though. The single and double barred have the same sire.

Something about the blond hackles causes delayed coloration.

Same rooster when he was younger: