Let's talk Golden Cuckoo Marans!

[Chooks man]

You are correct on all the f1s. I have 2 blue f1 cockerals, 3 blue f1 pullets, 1 black barred f1 cockeral and 2 f1 black barred pullets. They were the best of what I hatched.

Sounds like a good plan what you have suggested, I'll get a start on it this coming spring.

that is good number .2 breeding pen with a spare cockerel .
breeding the blue cuckoos to the black cuckoos ,you ll keep the quality of the barring .
plus your black cuckoo does not seem to carry the cream gene ,
he hasn t too much body color but i like the quality of it .just need more expression . comes with breeding .

you ll do good my friend .you are working to develop a good line in there ,

chooks man

 

[morbius18]

I see what you are saying ,bad comb for sure .
lovely tail .

choos man

I guess I spoke too soon, I took some night pics of both combs. First is the one you liked, second is the other. I guess up close it doesn't appear too bad. He's still developing, a little slower than his brothers.

 

[Chooks man]

I guess I spoke too soon, I took some night pics of both combs. First is the one you liked, second is the other. I guess up close it doesn't appear too bad. He's still developing, a little slower than his brothers.View attachment 1185480 View attachment 1185481

you are alright .doesn t look too bad ,guess just has too many points that all .

chooks man

 

[morbius18]

you are alright .doesn t look too bad ,guess just has too many points that all .

chooks man

I guess your season is getting started. How is your flock progressing?

 

[morbius18]

you are alright .doesn t look too bad ,guess just has too many points that all .

chooks man

I guess this would be borderline blasphemy for pure marans, but have you ever heard of attempts to bring a jubilee/speckled pattern into a marans line? Specifically from orpingtons. They are large fowl, and have the proper skin and leg colors. I have a jubilee orpington flock that will be coming into production with my coming spring. I know egg color would suffer though.

 

[Chooks man]

I guess this would be borderline blasphemy for pure marans, but have you ever heard of attempts to bring a jubilee/speckled pattern into a marans line? Specifically from orpingtons. They are large fowl, and have the proper skin and leg colors. I have a jubilee orpington flock that will be coming into production with my coming spring. I know egg color would suffer though.

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I can tell you my friend .a lot peoples brought a different trait to the marans chooks from other breed ,
a problem is the chooks they produce from those crossing are not longer marans . they can be pretty like the lavender marans ,colombian marans from a crossing to the sussex etc .but they are not marans .
you can never breed 100% pure strain again from the cross .regardless witch method you apply .

personal opinion .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

I guess your season is getting started. How is your flock progressing?

Yes my friend the breeding season 2017 part 2 started 3 months ago .
I shipped a lot eggs to all Australian state . well happy about that .

now my this year stock are 11 months old ,I start penning them to breed from them for my self .
a lot to pen ,many varieties well pleased with a result

chooks man

 

[morbius18]

I can tell you my friend .a lot peoples brought a different trait to the marans chooks from other breed ,
a problem is the chooks they produce from those crossing are not longer marans . they can be pretty like the lavender marans ,colombian marans from a crossing to the sussex etc .but they are not marans .
you can never breed 100% pure strain again from the cross .regardless witch method you apply .

personal opinion .

chooks man

I know that with about 6 generations of back crossing after an outcross you end up with 98.5% pure.

I know it has to happen in order to have such color variation within one breed. At any rate the jubilee pattern is based on e+ or eWH, so my birds would create lots of extra work instead of just using a wheaten based bird.

 

[Chooks man]

I know that with about 6 generations of back crossing after an outcross you end up with 98.5% pure.

I know it has to happen in order to have such color variation within one breed. At any rate the jubilee pattern is based on e+ or eWH, so my birds would create lots of extra work instead of just using a wheaten based bird.

that what they say .but genetically speaking there is a difference between 100% and 98.5%.
this 1.5 % will causes the Atavistic Return of the Recessive genes to be present at all the time .

Marans chooks breed is rich by itself when come to body pattern color .we just hasn t discover them that all .

I m working on over 14 marans varieties for the moment . I don t think I need to import any genes from any breed .

chooks man

 

[morbius18]

that what they say .but genetically speaking there is a difference between 100% and 98.5%.
this 1.5 % will causes the Atavistic Return of the Recessive genes to be present at all the time .

Marans chooks breed is rich by itself when come to body pattern color .we just hasn t discover them that all .

I m working on over 14 marans varieties for the moment . I don t think I need to import any genes from any breed .

chooks man

What varieties are you working with?
So, are the color patterns that are discovered just different combinations of the existing genes? I'll admit that I'm ignorant on that aspect.

What would be the original/base marans? I would think that other breeds would be needed to bring in different E loci mutations. It isn't genetically possible for different chicken 'breeds' to evolve/develop the same mutations concurrently.

I'm not arguing that it's ok, but that from a genetic standpoint most breeds having the same mutations without crossing unless they were present in the original jungle fowl isn't possible. If that were true, there would be different colorations of the jungle fowl, and they would get selected out over the most beneficial one, thus eliminating the genes.

I'm pretty sure my F0 rooster wasn't pure either. Probably ER/eB and carrying the recessive white. The eB is an odd e loci for a barred bird to carry, especially around here. There are no brown based marans that I'm aware of in this area, which indicates my line started off tainted. This is probably the reason that I'm seeing the recessive traits showing.

I plan on working with strictly marans for this line, hopefully approaching more than 98.5%.

Don't take this as an insult, I'm really curious and don't know the answer to what seems confusing to me.