Looking for certified apa breeding partners

[Andrew10]

Im looking for 5 certified apa breeding partners. im going to try to start my own officially reconized chicken breed. Okay here's some info about what I want to do, 1. I want do a three way cross of New Hampshire red, black Jersey giant, and barred rock. And I'm aiming for a good dual purpose breed thats good at foraging and brooding. 2. I will probably start the actual breeding next spring. 3. Starting now I will be looking for people who will be willing to breed my new chickens for at least five years, and you also need To be an APA member. The perks of all this are free 6 week old show quality chicks. But you have to be within 30 minutes of anderson, IN.

 

[R2elk]

Im looking for 5 certified apa breeding partners. im going to try to start my own officially reconized chicken breed. Okay here's some info about what I want to do, 1. I want do a three way cross of New Hampshire red, black Jersey giant, and barred rock. And I'm aiming for a good dual purpose breed thats good at foraging and brooding. 2. I will probably start the actual breeding next spring. 3. Starting now I will be looking for people who will be willing to breed my new chickens for at least five years, and you also need To be an APA member. The perks of all this are free 6 week old show quality chicks. But you have to be within 30 minutes of anderson, IN.

When trying to develop a new breed you need to get your new chicken to the point where it has homozygous genes. As long as what you are developing has heterozygous genes, it will never breed true.

In order for your co-breeders to be able to actually legally work on this breed with you, they will not only need to be APA members but they will also need to be NPIP certified in order to legally transfer birds across state lines.

 

[Andrew10]

Im not really planing to have breeding partners across state lines, and already know they will breed true.

When trying to develop a new breed you need to get your new chicken to the point where it has homozygous genes. As long as what you are developing has heterozygous genes, it will never breed true.

In order for your co-breeders to be able to actually legally work on this breed with you, they will not only need to be APA members but they will also need to be NPIP certified in order to legally transfer birds across state lines.

 

[Andrew10]

I think I'll call the new breed barred indiana red. Im also planing on starting a breeding club.

 

[The Moonshiner]

I think you underestimating what's going to be involved in this adventure.
Starting with the breeding true. How are you expecting to cross three breeds and have them bred true before several generations?
Also with what's actually involved in getting a new breed recognised.

 

[Andrew10]

I think you underestimating what's going to be involved in this adventure.
Starting with the breeding true. How are you expecting to cross three breeds and have them bred true before several generations?
Also with what's actually involved in getting a new breed recognised.

I know it will take several generations but i have plenty of time.

 

[YdogsflY]

There are a bunch of genes that will come out to play when you start crossing. Breeding true is going to be a lot harder than you think.

How is crossing these breeds going to produce anything better than the original breeds?

By the way, the official name is New Hampshire with no Red. If you're serious about doing this, using the proper name and other nomenclature would go a long way.

 

[Andrew10]

sorry just a slip l am aware of the correct name. I have already done a lot of research with the chicken calculator and it shows breeding true after three generations.

 

[YdogsflY]

So what are you trying to accomplish with this new breed? I know you said a good dual purpose that goes broody and forages well, in your OP. How will these 3 breeds create a better breed than what exists?

The New Hamshires are about as good as a dual purpose gets and the one in your avatar looks decent. The Jersey's are slow to mature and too big, and Rocks are almost as good as a New Hampshire though a little bigger/slower growing.

I guess what i'm getting at is, if you were to put this energy and motivation into a breed that already exists, but needs a lot of help, you will have the end result you are looking for, and help save/improve an old breed. I don't see anything gained in the end by mixing these breeds, and no matter what "the calculator" tells you, it's going to be a lot more work than you're thinking.

I'm certainly not trying to tell you not to go through with this project. Just trying to bring awareness to the fact that old, productive, and worthy breeds, are dying out and need the help of motivated people like you.

 

[Egghead_Jr]

The breed obtained from crossing Plymouth Rock over New Hampshire already exists. Delaware need a lot of work. A member here has a line she created from white sports of that cross.

A lot of people like to cross the Jersey Giant into projects and I honestly see no value in it whatsoever. If that short lived breed and failed meat industry niche it was trying to fill had been developed a decade or two earlier it would not have survived to present day. The luck of being in conservation age is the only reason Jersey Giants are still here. They don't make good meat birds and if standard bred stock don't make very good dual purpose layers.