looking for OPINIONS on CAE

[Goattalker]

I'm really sad to see this as a controversial subject. There are many right ways to manage a herd, for some that will mean testing, for others it will be a watch and wait situation. Each to their own, and as always let the buyer beware. No one has to be right here, heck lots of people are right, each must follow their own judgment.

 

[chook pen jen]

I bought a dairy buck kid a few years back,sold as cae free. The day we got him home he injured his leg.while the vet was treating him he did a cae test,which came back suspect, we kept him away from the others for 6 months then retested,which came back positive we had the girls tested and they were all clear. From my point of view once you know you have an animal with a nasty contagious disease like cae its up to you to see it does not infect clear animals,so he was given away for dog meat.It broke my heart to do it but I dont think I had a choice.

 

[ksacres]

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This will be my last post on the subject. Promise

I don't consider *any* information for meat to be relevant to my dairy herd. Boers are often terminal bred-most kids are sold to butcher at a young age. Breeding animals that have trouble with anything are often just sold for meat. Does are often cycled out and replaced with younger.

CL is a nasty disease that can ABSOLUTELY kill animals. It can cause those abscesses on the *inside* and should be the #1 suspect in any animals that are "wasting" without visible outward signs and/or reasons (like very high lactations).

The reason that CL is "rampant in the boer world" is that too many people take the 'oh, well, it's just cl' approach.

It is VERY contagious. I have seen this with friends' experiences with it. You cannot rely on pastuerizing the milk to weed it out-it is very easily transferred laterally, much more easily than CAE.


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I don't think CAE is nearly as bad as people make it out to be. As I said, I know a gal that has had a CAE positive buck for a few years now and NOT ONE other goat has turned positive. He is housed away from the rest of the herd. Plain water has been shown to burst the CAE virus cells, disinfection isn't even needed, just plain water, a good rain, etc...

 

[Thunderhill]

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Why would you do this at all? you are only the middle man if you aren't pasturizing and heat treating...sorry, just doesn't make sense to me at all. I can't imagine milking my goat, pouring it into a bottle and giving it to her baby (scratchin' head) Basically, you are not practicing CAE PREVENTION.
CAE is known to be passed thru milk, so I am not surprised the buck did not pass it on.
We are just now researching the bodily fluids for known transmission.
Personally, I would cull ANY diseased animal. I do not want any diseased animal on my property....neither do my clients

 

[ksacres]

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Umm, I never said I was. Only that we test and we are NEGATIVE. Why do I need to "prevent" something I don't have? We don't bring any *new* animals in unless they have a CAE test before hand or are from herds whose management I know well.

We bottle feed for lots of reasons:
1. Friendly babies
2. We take the extra milk not needed to feed kids
3. I can sell bottle babies
4. Easier to monitor baby health
5. I know EXACTLY how much each baby is eating
6. I can sell milkers without their kids
7. I can buy other bottle babies

Do I really need to go on?

There are *many* good articles on the benefits of raw milk over pastuerized.

 

[Goattalker]

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This will be my last post on the subject. Promise

1. I don't consider *any* information for meat to be relevant to my dairy herd. Boers are often terminal bred-most kids are sold to butcher at a young age. Breeding animals that have trouble with anything are often just sold for meat. Does are often cycled out and replaced with younger.

CL is a nasty disease that can ABSOLUTELY kill animals. It can cause those abscesses on the *inside* and should be the #1 suspect in any animals that are "wasting" without visible outward signs and/or reasons (like very high lactations).

The reason that CL is "rampant in the boer world" is that too many people take the 'oh, well, it's just cl' approach.

2. It is VERY contagious. I have seen this with friends' experiences with it. You cannot rely on pastuerizing the milk to weed it out-it is very easily transferred laterally, much more easily than CAE.


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I don't think CAE is nearly as bad as people make it out to be. As I said, I know a gal that has had a CAE positive buck for a few years now and NOT ONE other goat has turned positive. He is housed away from the rest of the herd. Plain water has been shown to burst the CAE virus cells, disinfection isn't even needed, just plain water, a good rain, etc...

1. Apparently this does not apply to you, I thought we were talking about all goats, not just your herd.

2. Pastuerizing does nothing to control CL, it is pus to patient transmission. Pus can stay contagious for quite a while. Milk has nothing to do with CL transmission.

 

[ksacres]

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# 1 I have *absolutely* no idea what you are talking about.

#2 was my point as to why I think CL is worse (ease of transmission is my main beef with CL).

I don't care if you agree with me or not. Truly I don't. You do whatever you want with your goats. What I do care about is the fact that you continue to post inflammatory and obnoxious remarks just b/c I don't happen to agree with you.

 

[Thunderhill]

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Umm, I never said I was. Only that we test and we are NEGATIVE. Why do I need to "prevent" something I don't have? We don't bring any *new* animals in unless they have a CAE test before hand or are from herds whose management I know well.

We bottle feed for lots of reasons:
1. Friendly babies
2. We take the extra milk not needed to feed kids
3. I can sell bottle babies
4. Easier to monitor baby health
5. I know EXACTLY how much each baby is eating
6. I can sell milkers without their kids
7. I can buy other bottle babies

Do I really need to go on?

There are *many* good articles on the benefits of raw milk over pastuerized.

LOL!!!
Yes, Please go on, but don't be rude, or you will be ignored......
It would be alot easier to separate the kids at night and milk in the AM for the household.
I have no clue how I've raised such healthy kids. They are dam raised but they come running to me for petting and raisins everytime I walk into the pen. I do not know exactly how much milk they are getting, but it must be enough because they are healthy, vivacious, and thriving. I monitor baby health with no problem at all. Each kid is weighed, and examined on a regular basis I can sell milkers at any time and attach their kids to another doe, I can buy bottle babies and feed them milk too!!
Sorry, it just seems like a waste of time to me.

 

[The Chicken Lady]

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[ksacres]

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You asked me why I bottle feed, so I answered.