LOS ANGELES county CA under bird quarantine :(

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Man if I was a betting man I’d say it has more to do with the commercial operations keeping hundreds of thousands of birds. That’s probably not that popular and they have a lot more money behind them than the average backyard chicken keeper.
Poultry industry has more powerful lobbyists than backyard chicken owners.
 
It’s very possible that the warmer climate makes an ideal breeding ground for the disease to manifest and spread. Not to mention a large concentration of factory farms that allow the disease to spread rapidly. I will ask my friend once she is back from deployment.

Riverside and San Bernardino counties host the "foothills" of the Mojave, and conditions there are colder during winter, hotter during summer, and the smog in many places is unreal.
 
Man if I was a betting man I’d say it has more to do with the commercial operations keeping hundreds of thousands of birds. That’s probably not that popular and they have a lot more money behind them than the average backyard chicken keeper.

That's the only thing that makes sense. The scorched earth policy of killing the village in order to save it is always masking ulterior motives. Imagine handling human diseases like this.
 
Poultry industry has more powerful lobbyists than backyard chicken owners.

They're also a whole hell of a lot more important to the economy and daily life of Californians.

Big picture here, folks. I love my chickens. I'm in the Los Angeles County quarantine zone. I've had my order for Spring chicks cancelled by the hatchery already. My neighbors are ready to come strangle me and my rooster and I feel like dog poo over it already but my noisy rooster is the only chance I have of renewing my flock.

BUT. My flock and I are an indetectible blip in the economic health of the state. I could supply eggs to 2 other people than my husband and myself. I. Am. Insignificant. Guess what? You guys are too.

OTOH, if this virus makes further inroads into commercial operations people will lose their jobs. Owners will lose their investments. Businesses that service the industry will be depressed. The state will lose tax income. And some 4 million people in Los Angeles County will have a hard time getting eggs and meat.

This is not hobbyists v the industry or the state. This is All. Of. Us. v the virus. And the more people take this seriously -- the folks who are NOT on BYC and are transporting birds in violation of the quarantine most specifically -- the quicker this and the distress and pain it's bringing to hobbyists will be over.
 
Man if I was a betting man I’d say it has more to do with the commercial operations keeping hundreds of thousands of birds. That’s probably not that popular and they have a lot more money behind them than the average backyard chicken keeper.
Exactly right, I'm pretty sure you would win that bet. Those large commercial operations pay taxes and contribute to the coffers of the bureaucrats in Sacramento, so they deserve protection. Of course, the rest of us pay too, but usually not through our poultry activities... The question that comes to my mind, is how does this virus get into closed buildings, with supposed bio-security going on, and no exposure to any infective elements except for new chickens? Where do they get their new chickens? Since the usual egg farm hen only lays for 2 years, I think, before becoming canned soup. Or is it the employees that bring it in? Because some of them are rooster raising hobbyists so to speak? Commercial chicken and egg producers need to look at areas in their operation that expose them to risk instead of blaming pet chicken owners for their problems (including employee activities). I still think this whole bungling operation is just an attempt to look like they are doing something and may be doing more harm than good. The people they contract out to do the dirty work are probably poorly paid, uneducated, and probably care little about biosecurity, and only do what they have to to keep their job. They may be responsible for spreading the disease themselves, as they go from house to house, probably with little supervision to see that they do adhere to any kind of biosecurity. How is the average backyard owner to know that they changed their outfits before knocking on the door? They won't. My personal feeling is that the disease will run its course in it's own time. We don't really know what conditions start it but there probably are some, related to weather, border crossings, animal imports, upsurges in bird populations, etc. It wouldn't even have to be poultry imports, since chickens run around loose in barnyards everywhere, other farm animals could bring it in, even predators, who are more likely to catch and eat a sick bird than a well one, could act as vectors, as they go from place to place. Birds of prey may roost in a tree over your chicken coop and drop feathers and debris from their meal into your coop. Those in charge need to step back and do some research, compare weather conditions and other factors in the year of these outbreaks and see what seems to drive this disease. Maybe answer that question as to why this doesn't happen in Florida and the East coast. My belief is that the wild bird population is more resistant because no one does anything to protect them, those susceptable die, and those that survive are resistant and reproduce, but may become carriers, like bats and skunks carry rabies. That is how nature deals with this kind of problem and the result is a stronger, healthier more resistant bird population, or an extinction event.
 
They're also a whole hell of a lot more important to the economy and daily life of Californians.

Big picture here, folks. I love my chickens. I'm in the Los Angeles County quarantine zone. I've had my order for Spring chicks cancelled by the hatchery already. My neighbors are ready to come strangle me and my rooster and I feel like dog poo over it already but my noisy rooster is the only chance I have of renewing my flock.

BUT. My flock and I are an indetectible blip in the economic health of the state. I could supply eggs to 2 other people than my husband and myself. I. Am. Insignificant. Guess what? You guys are too.

OTOH, if this virus makes further inroads into commercial operations people will lose their jobs. Owners will lose their investments. Businesses that service the industry will be depressed. The state will lose tax income. And some 4 million people in Los Angeles County will have a hard time getting eggs and meat.

This is not hobbyists v the industry or the state. This is All. Of. Us. v the virus. And the more people take this seriously -- the folks who are NOT on BYC and are transporting birds in violation of the quarantine most specifically -- the quicker this and the distress and pain it's bringing to hobbyists will be over.
Maybe an industry shouldn’t have been built housing a million chickens in close quarters on top of one another? Profit and greed was the driving force not just meeting demand. Now the economy is dependent on it. Some things should change and with it might come a little discomfort for some.
 
They're also a whole hell of a lot more important to the economy and daily life of Californians.

Big picture here, folks. I love my chickens. I'm in the Los Angeles County quarantine zone. I've had my order for Spring chicks cancelled by the hatchery already. My neighbors are ready to come strangle me and my rooster and I feel like dog poo over it already but my noisy rooster is the only chance I have of renewing my flock.

BUT. My flock and I are an indetectible blip in the economic health of the state. I could supply eggs to 2 other people than my husband and myself. I. Am. Insignificant. Guess what? You guys are too.

OTOH, if this virus makes further inroads into commercial operations people will lose their jobs. Owners will lose their investments. Businesses that service the industry will be depressed. The state will lose tax income. And some 4 million people in Los Angeles County will have a hard time getting eggs and meat.

This is not hobbyists v the industry or the state. This is All. Of. Us. v the virus. And the more people take this seriously -- the folks who are NOT on BYC and are transporting birds in violation of the quarantine most specifically -- the quicker this and the distress and pain it's bringing to hobbyists will be over.

Explain though how VND is getting into the flocks. The fao study showed it's not airborne; it's spread directly among chickens or via contaminated humans and equipment.

And getting onto a poultry farm or even touching commercial poultry isn't necessarily easy. Unless you work there.
 
Maybe an industry shouldn’t have been built housing a million chickens in close quarters on top of one another?

Won't argue that one! The poultry industry has been inhumane as long as my 72yo memory can recall. I'm not about to defend that any more than I can eat beef after a couple trips past the feedlots on the 5 that reek of ammonia for miles.

That's one of the reasons I wanted my own chickens -- to know that they had a good life in return for their company and their eggs.
 

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