LOS ANGELES county CA under bird quarantine :(

[lissalischicks]

there are NO chicks in my area due to the ban. thats what i am saying. no chicks for me...but chicks for other users on byc who post beautiful pics. beautiful chick pics on fb.

I believe so. Everyone I know has a rooster and has hatched their own. I just came back from vacation and 2 girls apparently went broody (one has been for 8 days and the other 5 days). I am not trying to break them since I can't get eggs. Even if I did, can't give them away with the quarantine. Hopefully the breaking goes well. I've been home for 3 hours, spent the last 2:45 on the chickens, 10 min on starting laundry and 5 min eating. LOL you see where my priorities are.

I am also very happy, no one had to come by while I was on vacation

 

[Animalfisherwoman]

The LA Times yesterday put SOB Save our Birds on its front page. An archive of the article is available here: http://archive.is/HwJfz

The SOB attorney has moved for immediate discovery (written depositions) from California head vet Annette Jones and CDFA. The court date is Monday. The legal filing is here: http://www.chadmorgan.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/SOB-Ex-Parte-App-re-Discovery.pdf

Annette Jones was also revealed to be co-owner of an egg and poultry farm outside of Davis, CA that supplies restaurants in the metro Sacramento area. She and her husband applied for and received a grant to buy a livestock dog for their 2,500 hens. Their Website has been archived here:
http://archive.is/CmrPu?fbclid=IwAR1bKRSbWpOrp5qDFD-e0aNCpKJqpefuEYAG9BH1Ja1DhOAK1QcuhvS24tY

http://archive.is/dakh7?fbclid=IwAR3t8GOfrcq8U3ipxq92Q_YKVyrd90D6KhzE8j7WkwqVMmBSXcHs9R77FVQ

 

[BreanneRN]

Seems clear that the LA Times only talked to one side on this. No mention of the incompetence of CDFA staff, inhumane treatment, reckless use of firearms, vindictive actions against those protesting but compliant, lack of proper biohazard measures at sites and improper disposal of birds dumped at landfills. I note that the gofundme site is almost at their goal, only short $850.00 or so. I am so hoping that this suit turns the light on about what is really going on in peoples homes and backyards all over the quarantined area and the emotional damage done to people who did not run, but complied with government edicts. They did not deserve what could be described as terrorist tactics in this supposed war against VND. Apparently, no one will hear that side from the LA Times, which appears to be just a mouthpiece for the CDFA. I look forward to the truth coming out.

 

[Animalfisherwoman]

Seems clear that the LA Times only talked to one side on this. No mention of the incompetence of CDFA staff, inhumane treatment, reckless use of firearms, vindictive actions against those protesting but compliant, lack of proper biohazard measures at sites and improper disposal of birds dumped at landfills. I note that the gofundme site is almost at their goal, only short $850.00 or so. I am so hoping that this suit turns the light on about what is really going on in peoples homes and backyards all over the quarantined area and the emotional damage done to people who did not run, but complied with government edicts. They did not deserve what could be described as terrorist tactics in this supposed war against VND. Apparently, no one will hear that side from the LA Times, which appears to be just a mouthpiece for the CDFA. I look forward to the truth coming out.

I normally archive major media when I can as their feeds tend to disappear, but the original of this article is still up here: https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow...Z1-vA2RoNX5NjnpHUZFlmiU2Lf2dwJ9FSUGnSJd707HGU

Comments are still open, and people are leaving comments as to what you said. That said, I think the article did show the human interest factor in a nice way, but the omission of the facts you mention is also very troubling.

 

[IamRainey]

I'm sorry to completely disagree.

As someone IN the contagion zone I applaud CDFA and USDA being aggressive in containing the expansion of the virus. And I say that as someone who may be subjected to it at some point.

People like Kerri Hand who are publicly advising others to hide and move their birds ARE the problem and the reason that CDFA and USDA need to respond in the way they have.

I look forward to the resolution of the lawsuit. Altho there may need to be modifications to CDFA's and USDA's methods I'm sure they'll be found to be acting in the public interest of CA's public health, agriculture and economy. Big picture, folks!

 

[Aunt Angus]

I fully support efforts to eradicate vND, but I also fully support compassion, empathy, and humaneness. Some of us can see both sides of the big picture.

 

[Animalfisherwoman]

Yes, Kerri has said that, but in context her words are rhetorical only. Her whole family is still in trauma. There is a lot of raw rhetoric on the sob feed, a lot of venting, but when it comes to action it's pretty much been this: 1) more bringing birds to the gate for test or in fact kill; 2) appearances of citizens before county supervisors, city councils; 3) the lawsuit and funding. Not moving birds for real.

 

[Animalfisherwoman]

An op-ed was also written in Valley News. This is the local paper for the hemet (riverside co) area https://www.myvalleynews.com/story/...D-Qk0cwPTi9uQW0V6plCnkjqOf07YkSEtdPuNRS7_c6fM

Copypasted below:

I’m not sure how many people are aware of Virulent Newcastle disease. If you own chickens, you probably know because the feed stores have flyers informing the public of it.

Virulent Newcastle disease spreads when healthy birds come in contact with bodily fluids from sick birds. California has been under quarantine, but the disease is spreading. Even domestic birds can catch it.

I understand that the birds have to be euthanized to control the spread, but the manner in which CDFA is doing this is inhumane. Some situations documented; they are trying to shoot them with single shot air guns or pellet guns and breaking legs and necks by stomping on them.

State veterinarian Dr. Annette Jones said they are to be humanely euthanized. Many of these animals, such as chickens, turkeys and geese that have been killed in front of their families, did not deserve to be harmed and injured, before being killed.

All of these animals have brains, nervous system, feelings and their own personalities. We are not talking about slaughterhouse chickens, these are backyard egg layers and barn companions.

When a pet’s time has come, you want it to slip away with an ounce of peace, not terror and fear before death takes its life away.

Making it worse is the landfill disposal of the infected birds bodies, hundreds and thousands of diseased birds at the landfill with thousands of sea gulls, crows, ravens and small birds, waiting to scavenge and eat and fly back to the coast or mountains to feed their babies. Is it possible this dumping of killed birds at the dump would not further the spread of the disease?

This practice is still spreading the disease along with workers who are not following proper protocols for disinfecting the area after the killings. Body fluids have been left in yards that will most likely feed the wild birds coming in and out of the area.

The landfill rules do allow for the disposal of infected birds, but why wouldn’t we have the bodies cremated? Wouldn’t that at least insure other birds were not scavenging the dead animals.

All of the treatment mentioned and disposal of diseased birds is recorded on video, and the people in charge of the kills are denying it and hoping the greater population does not see or hear about their methods.

The disease can affect poultry and other birds. Chickens are most susceptible. Ducks and geese are the least, but the CDFA is killing geese and ducks in the kill zones even if their testing is clean.

This euthanasia has been going on for a year, obviously the methods are not working.

Please stop the inhumane killing of all barnyard and backyard birds, these are our beloved pets. We love them, talk to them and care for them every day. We are horrified the way this issue has been allowed to be handled. If nothing changes, I am sure I will lose my babies. I am heartbroken that it will happen and that it has already happened to so many southern Californians that watched their pets be abused or mistreated before being killed.



Leigh Ann Strickland

 

[IamRainey]

Yes, Kerri has said that, and I wish she would stop, but in context her words are rhetorical only. Her whole family is still in trauma. There is a lot of raw rhetoric on the sob feed, a lot of venting, but when it comes to action it's pretty much been this: 1) more bringing birds to the gate for test or in fact kill; 2) appearances of citizens before county supervisors, city councils; 3) the lawsuit and funding. Not moving birds for real.

Kerri Hand's words are most specifically NOT rhetorical. She's mounted an entire campaign to thwart the efforts of CDFA enlisting others in her dispute and raising a significant amount of money to punish and hamper the joint CDFA/UDSA campaign against vND.

Meanwhile, as to the trauma her family has suffered, I watched her video and have pointed out before that in that 2 1/2 hours she did NOTHING to help her kids avoid or process any of the chaos and hysteria. Rather, she encouraged them to act out actually increasing their distress so as to make the job of the CDFA and Sherrif's Dept. employees more difficult physically and emotionally.

 

[IamRainey]

As to the whether or not the euthanasia of poultry is humane, any owner who has been notified that their flock has been targeted has the option of performing the euthanasia themselves in the manner that they think best. CDFA has an instructional video of bloodless cervical dislocation on their site if any owner is troubled about how its employees may deal with an emergency situation.

It may be that it would be necessary to preserve the carcasses for testing but this argument strikes me as the perfect being the enemy of the good when the economy of the state and the continued health of flocks throughout the state and neighboring states is in present danger.

What is or is not "working" is difficult to say since we can't have any idea how many birds and states might now be in contagion if the present measures hadn't been adopted and enforced.

I respect your feelings about this Animalfisherwoman. I think you've been reasonable in previous discussions. But I absolutely disagree that we shouldn't be supporting the CDFA in order to bring this to the quickest resolution. And I couldn't disagree more about Kerri Hand and SOB. She is putting ALL of us flock owners in jeopardy -- immediate jeopardy for the health of our flocks and potential jeopardy for our right to have them. If local zoning is modified to be more restrictive about urban chickens I think she and SOB will be LARGELY responsible for it.