Making auto sexing chicks with a cream legbar rooster.

...I feel like I'm starting to understand the genetics here... but it's still a little foggy to me whether any of these combos will auto sex in F1 or I need 2/3 generations to do it because by 3.. I will almost certainly lose the blue egg gene in many of them. Thanks!!!
Making new breeds is a long project. You are worried about small eggs, weird egg shapes, etc. in the legbars and you are sure to see all that an more if you are creating a new breed. Since you already have a hen flocks of one breed and a sire of another breed you could just breed hybirds. The Wheaten Marans hens crossed with the Cream Legbar sir will produce the green eggs that you desire. The hens will NOT be bars from that crossing, but the males will get one barring gene. The chicks will have the chipmonk pattern so you will probably be able to sex the cockerels and pullets at one day old from the sex-linked barring gene. By just doing the cross once you won't have to worry about fixing the barring gene which would take multiple generatations to achieve. Also the Wheaten base (recessive) is not able to autosex chicks unless you have a lot of red modifiers because the yellow chick down won't show the barring gene. By doing a one time cross you also won't have to fix the blue egg gene (dominant) or the dark brown egg genes (recessive).

The Crele Penedenseca already have the sex-linked barring gene and already have a the wild type primary color patter. Crossing those hens with a Cream Legbar Cockerel will give you autosexing chicks. You could breed them forward to work on egg color without having to worry about the auto-sexing. Olive Egger projects typically separate eggs into two batches when hatching so that all the eggs that are really light in color can be breed back to pure penedenseca and all the really dark eggs can be bred back to pure legbars. The colors can be improved over a few generations to get to what you want. Again, you could just do hybirds with the Penedenseca too. It keep you from losing the blue egg gene or from losing dark egg genes.
 
The Wheaten Marans hens crossed with the Cream Legbar sir will produce the green eggs that you desire. The hens will NOT be bars from that crossing, but the males will get one barring gene. The chicks will have the chipmonk pattern so you will probably be able to sex the cockerels and pullets at one day old from the sex-linked barring gene.
Cream Legbar rooster will pass one barring gene to all his offspring. Males and females.
 
Hello, been a long time since I posted on this forum, once upon a time I was called chickenwhisperer or the chicken whisperer here…
Anyways, google led me here in a search for some answers…
I read thru the post, and even with my limited actual knowledge of chicken genetics, over the last few years I have figured out my place in the chicken world…
I have 3 crele breeds- cream legbar, penedesenca, and beilefelder, and so far I been mixing them all back and forth and right and left and up and down, and back crossing or crossing a hybrid to the 3rd breed, hybrid to hybrid, etc etc etc…
Not only can I make all the desirable egg colors and blooms, but it seems to me that every chick I produce from all that madness is auto sexed, at least I’ve never had any complaints.
I can even throw welsumer in the mix to add speckles or partridge penedesenca for egg color and variety, and it doesn’t seem to change the auto sexing.
With those 5 breeds, mixing and re mixing, every new generation/mix produces sharp dark chipmunk and blurry light chipmunk chicks doesn’t matter what the parental mix is. Of course, Just like with the purebreds, some chicks are harder to tell than others, but I sell all these chicks locally for top dollar as sexed hybrid females and don’t get complaints, but I have been wrong a few times on some iffy ones…
one day, a few years ago, after getting the crele penedesncas, just happened to look at my chicken pens and wonder what would happen if I crossed the crele patterned breeds, it seemed to have worked so I ran with it.
I mean, I’ve pretty much made my own kind of chickens at this point with some of my mixes that breed true for crele pattern, comb, and egg color…
 

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