Making Mille Fleur from scratch

[tadkerson]

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I am interested in the mille fluer pattern but do not have the room to do experimental crosses.
How to make mille from scratch

1. Cross a buff columbian male with black, mottled females = F1 Black female birds with red in hackles and breast. Males will be black leaking red in the pyle zone or black leaking silver in the pyle zone.

2. Cross the F1 offspring- The F2 offspring will vary- Pick the birds with the least amount of black that are mottled. Many of the birds will be dark in color because of the black intensifying genes found in the black mottled females. One in 16 of the birds should be close to what you want. If you are lucky the black mottled parent bird will be columbian restricted and all of the offspring will be columbian restricted.

3. Cross the F2 birds= F3 this cross should produce mille fluer birds. Some may be darker than others.


I think the problems associated with the mille fluer are due to different restrictors and even E locus alleles. There is most likely more than one columbian restrictor and all E locus alleles are not the same. There are different variations of the wild type allele, brown allele and wheaten alleles. An example is the birchen allele, the birchen allele found in the fayoumi is different than the birchen allele found in other birchen birds.

Lots of questions but I do not have the answers.


Tim

 

[wilds of pa]

these were from black mottled orpington x speckled Sussex line breeding of there chicks..

2ND part of the jubilee Project
Result of Speckled Sussex x Buff orp (pic below)
now line breeding of these birds has begun and we have lots and lots of eggs set..chick picks coming soon of those results, will update in this post when they start hatching..

Would also like to cross both projects as well at some point to see what happens with a few birds.. should be very interesting

 

[osukrazykate]

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Those are some beautiful birds you have. Please do update us with pics of your chicks. I love babies!

 

[bantyman]

Hey all

I guess this post would be for Tad or Krys But I am doing an experiment by crossing a partridge roo with millie cochin hens and a partridge hen with a millie cochin roo I am doing this cross to try and put some better type in my millies The chicks from this cross appear to be partridge color I got 4 cockerals and 3 hens Guess I should mention that the hens were put on a 3 week clean out before any eggs were gathered for hatching But anyway 2 of the cockerals look exactly like the partridge roo,both color and type, while the other 2 are more of a brown without the black of the partridge 2 of the hens have the partridge color and markings but 1 has the brown without the markings My question is which would be the best option to cross back on the millies? My camera has not been working quite right lately so pix are pretty much out of the question right now But if I can borrow one then I will post pix I just thought this post might work Any suggestions or ideas? Thanx for any help on this

Mike

 

[Chickie'sMoma]

would crossing my Sunny, a 7 1/2 mo banty cochin cockerel with my banty buff brahma possibly help to produce a millie pattern?

i thought i had read somewhere that you can use the buff columbian cochin to help with the millie pattern but right now all i have is the buff brahma.

Sunny

Lilly (i was told when i got her as a chick she was a millie fleur d'uccle but later realized she was a brahma)

 

[onthespot]

bantyman. I would choose the ones with best type. They will all be carrying the mottling genes, and should carry columbian as well, not sure on that. I would cross them on the best marked mille, even if you lose a little type, to get good color on the F2s and then cross them back to the typier F1 partridge that carry mottled at the very least, and you should start really seeing some noteworthy results on your F3 birds. DO post pics of your F1 partridge looking mf crosses if you could please? Thanks!

 

[Mburrows6653]

It takes three things to make a mille fleur: you need the Columbian gene, the mottling gene, and something to make a red/buff background. The red/buff background, in turn, can come from either wheaten -- E(Wh) -- partridge -- E(b) -- or duckwing -- e+ .​

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In theory, I hope Henk will correct me if I'm wrong, the columbian will restrict the black from the body of the birds leaving the body buff coloured.​

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Using mottled over buff columbian (or the other way around). If the mottled birds are mottled on extended black as one might expect the F1s will all be black. Possibly with some leakage. They would give a genotype E/eb, Co/co+,Mo+/mo. If you put that into the chicken calculator leaving all other genes, it will calculate the F2s. There ought to be some mille fleur in the F2s if you breed enough.

Old thread!! But hoping to get a response! What if you can’t get Columbian? Say Columbian isn’t a standard for the breed and the created Columbian people have made are crappy with incorrect combs etc.
could you start with Mottled and Solid Buff? Thanks!