Marans - SOP discussion thread

[snowbird]

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I may of missed it , BUT I don't see Vulture hocks and it is a DQ

All of the above faults and DQs are just for the head. If someone starts this back up you might just want to list everything as Faults to start with and seperate the DQs later.

 

[snowbird]

Hey all, You will find that the Breed Standards that are already approved are very vague when it comes to DQs and Faults, that is the reason you have to depend on the APA SOP for guidance. Anything not spelled out in the breed Standard reverts back to the APA SOP. The first 39 pages.

 

[Lotsapaints]

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Thanks Don I keep reading those 39 pages over and over someday I'll have them in my feeble brain so I don't have to make a cheat sheet. It seems I cull down to a pair or trio of each variety and many times I've gotten rid of almost all of the ones I've hatched......I might have to wait until they are a year old to decide but it's for the betterment of the breed in the long run. Thank you for your help

 

[marquisella]

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Sue,

I am looking at the previous edition of the SOP and see under the definition of crow head...
A narrow, shallow, head, and beak ( fig 23); A SERIOUS DEFECT. pg. 7 in this edition.


Figure 23 on page 18 says....
UNDESIRABLE type of Single Comb.. .


Page 28 under interpretation of Standard for Judges - - breeders - - exhibitors
SHAPE and Type
(c) Head
Third sentence in says . .

"The head should be strong, moderately long, well filled in forward of the eyes to avoid any appearance of crowheadedness. with the skull inclined to be somewhat flat on top rather than round. "

I can't find any other information on that specifies Fault or DQ....
Maybe someone else can find more...

I see those, but it isn't listed in actual dqs or in cutting for defects. Where are the judges? What do the judges think when they see a crow head? Do they dq or just fault the bird. It would be great to hear it from one of them.

 

[rancher hicks]

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These are in my office with a heat light. Now that I think of it , it may be to low. the temp is 90 and heat isn't always a good thing. But I'm not sure that would kill them. I'm sure it's not the cold though.

 

[math ace]

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I thought that was what you were doing, but then I saw the middle toe feathering and thought I misunderstood!

It is all good.... I just wanted to make sure we didn't miss that one since it is starting to show up on some marans

 

[Lotsapaints]

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You really want to let your birds that are weak die..some of the old time breeders will not breed from stock unless they are 2 years old saying that heart defects etc will perish before that time and by then you know the true color as they will have gone thru the 18 month molt. I can't wait that long myself though the birds that have perished at my house have been mostly from the weather or escaping from where they are penned or from a predator though one of my best Delaware Cocks just died on the roost most likely from a heart attack which I wouldn't want to reproduce. Raise them the best you can cull hard and just keep on trying

 

[Chinchilla2]

Just a quick post here to thank everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, who is contributing to this post and the Marans development. My Marans aren't anywhere close to breeding age yet but it is information like this that allows me to start watching for things early on. Like many I have seen on the boards, I truly do not plan on showing any of my birds but I feel it is the only responsible thing for me to do is work my absolute hardest to insure that if anyone comes to me for a Marans in the future, that I not pass along any genetic problems that could make or break their chances of producing a show bird.

 

[fowlman01]

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Sue,

I am looking at the previous edition of the SOP and see under the definition of crow head...
A narrow, shallow, head, and beak ( fig 23); A SERIOUS DEFECT. pg. 7 in this edition.


Figure 23 on page 18 says....
UNDESIRABLE type of Single Comb.. .


Page 28 under interpretation of Standard for Judges - - breeders - - exhibitors
SHAPE and Type
(c) Head
Third sentence in says . .

"The head should be strong, moderately long, well filled in forward of the eyes to avoid any appearance of crowheadedness. with the skull inclined to be somewhat flat on top rather than round. "

I can't find any other information on that specifies Fault or DQ....
Maybe someone else can find more...

I see those, but it isn't listed in actual dqs or in cutting for defects. Where are the judges? What do the judges think when they see a crow head? Do they dq or just fault the bird. It would be great to hear it from one of them.

Sue,

I am looking at the previous edition of the SOP and see under the definition of crow head...
A narrow, shallow, head, and beak ( fig 23); A SERIOUS DEFECT. pg. 7 in this edition.


Crow head is a serious defect. It is not a DQ.

Walt

 

[math ace]

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Walt do you have any idea how much this SERIOUS DEFECT is worth ?? ?

Is it the 3 points associated with the shape of the skull and face?

I don't normally see to many marans with it, but I sure run across it in the Speckled Sussex!