Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

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I agree with your statement. If a person buys the feed and does the work they should be able to do whatever they would like. The only drawback is if the cross offspring are sold all accross the USA as pure Marans then this is where the problem comes in for me. That out of breed cross will take many years to breed back out of the Marans, and a good example of this is the PENE cross being made in the past and present.

Penedesencas? What are they being crossed with?

Isn't outcrossing a certain breed to another to achieve a new color or variety considered a... project?
I understand your concern snowbird, about folks selling their project culls, then those culls being bred under false pretenses and as "true breeds" when clearly they lack so many qualities of the original breed. A great example of this I feel is the Lavender Orpington wave that's taken off. Some of those birds look NOTHING like what a Orp should...

I think with any project, it's up to the originator to be responsible in how he or she disposes/culls/rehomes/etc. of those birds that don't fit within their project standards.
 
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I agree with your statement. If a person buys the feed and does the work they should be able to do whatever they would like. The only drawback is if the cross offspring are sold all accross the USA as pure Marans then this is where the problem comes in for me. That out of breed cross will take many years to breed back out of the Marans, and a good example of this is the PENE cross being made in the past and present.

Penedesencas? What are they being crossed with?

Isn't outcrossing a certain breed to another to achieve a new color or variety considered a... project?
I understand your concern snowbird, about folks selling their project culls, then those culls being bred under false pretenses and as "true breeds" when clearly they lack so many qualities of the original breed. A great example of this I feel is the Lavender Orpington wave that's taken off. Some of those birds look NOTHING like what a Orp should...

I think with any project, it's up to the originator to be responsible in how he or she disposes/culls/rehomes/etc. of those birds that don't fit within their project standards.

The PENE have been crossed with the Black Copper marans and I suspect the Wheaten, The easiest way to tell is the Carnation Comb in the Males.
 
I have come across that fault from birds I got from other people, sworn to be pure Bev Davis, but had white earlobes, side sprigs on the comb and flighty disposition. DEFINITELY not what I generally experienced with Bev's stock from other people, which were large, friendly, no side sprigs, red earlobes.

I hear ya on the outcrosses being sold as pure. I eat my mistakes, or find the hens laying only homes, so no moral issue for me. It would take a CRAZY amount of feed and time to make, say... silver laced marans, or lavender frizzled marans.
 
Snowbird, do you have pictures of your birds? Or their eggs?
I'd love to see them, you've spoke of them with such high regard, I can only imagine what they look like.
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ETA: Kind of off topic, sorry. The thought just crossed my mind.

Patty, Lavender Frizzled Marans? L0L!
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Don: The extended birchen gene (black copper) has many colors hidden in it. Crossing some of the "lines" of marans has been able to pop out hidden ressessive genes that came into this country. Blackdotte is gifted in this respect. You may be able to get a more accurate answer if you directed a question at him specifically.

Maybe what the French speak of is the fact that when crossed they have disqualifying faults such as...NO EGG COLOR.. that tends to happen in the crosses or any other major DQ fault that pops up during a mixing of breeds. It comes out in the egg and in the eye color and the side sprigs, leg color and the straw hackles etc.. That is what makes them no longer marans and why they need to be rejected respectively.. (This is my interpretation of what is meant... ) Feel free to chime in ALL and give your take on it.

Snowbird: Let's see some picture of your projects... We can critique or not... your choice.
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(gotta kick those teenagers into action!!!
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Look up the Extended Black genetics and you will see what it has in it... Wheaton, birchen, etc.. and all the variations. Then you have the cuckoo lines.. it is divided up also by crossing with black etc.. All marans but the variety of colors that come out are pretty amazing... You don't need to cross with other breeds to get the colors... Just get a "handle" on what these birds offer. The crossing of the birds with Pene and Wellie I am sure happened but with no good result. Most ppl I hope know better... one generation is all it takes to school ya.
 
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Today, after several trips to the run in a cage, Pip made his debut in person with the flock. Being a single baby, Pip is very keyed to me, and follows me around. So, we walked over to the big chicks. The big ones are 10 weeks, Pip is 5 weeks. Figured it was now or never. The pullets came up to him right away checking him out. Pip decides that's too close, and promptly pecks each of the pullets! Well, that's all it took for Fuglee roo to see, and here he comes, huffing all the way. I raised my cane and pointed it Fugs, and told him no. He backed down, giving the "stink eye" from a distance. I think this gave Pip some confidence, but didn't want him to get too cocky, so the next round I just let play out. Same thing, only this time Pip pecked Fuglee too! Little snot got put in his place real quick! He came running back to me, and stood on my foot peeping his fool head off, like, "hey Mom, what happened to the back-up??" We stayed in the run for awhile more, let him eat grass and feel the wind in his feathers. I sat down in a chair I had brought into the run, and he jumps up in my lap. I can tell he's had enough, so I put him back in the cage and we go to the house. I can see this is going to be a long process, but I sure don't want him to get hurt. So, Pip will be in the house till he grows out a bit more, the others are more than twice his size right now. Pip was pooped, went and lay down next to his new neighbors (the new chicks), and as I was in the kitchen, I could hear him trilling his adventures to the young ones. How funny these chicks are, all with such different personalities... I love it
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berkeleysprings,

He's a nice boy! Love the coloring, especially his hackles! That's what I'd call copper. The only thing I don't care for is the comb, like you pointed out. It looks off balance to me in the rear end, but nice serrated points. I'd say he's a keeper!
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