Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[Peach2u]

Wow Pink that took you some time. Thanks for the info. I do have to say I'm in trouble

My flock includes chickens from AL,GA,NC and TN. All of which I drove and picked up from other chicken lovers. I can get to them all in an hour or less. And I know the Mennonite's I got some of my chickens from don't have permits lol. No phone or power you know they don't get permits LOL

 

[snowbird]

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Steve~

All I can say is call the USDA and speak with the person in charge of the NPIP program...when I did, they could not tell me how these regulations are being enforced and could not tell me how each state was suppose to implement these regs either. I asked if this was not the governing agency that set forth these regs and the response was yes, but I got silence when I asked how come they didn't know the answers.

I call my state vets and Ag. Dept. and they can only tell me that a person is participating in shipping hatching eggs and or poultry, or selling live chicks and eggs locally or in and out of this state should be NPIP certified and that it is illegal to ship any of the above if a person is not certified. However, NPIP certification and participation is voluntary. If transporting birds across state lines it is the responsibility of the transporter to be sure to have NPIP certification and or a health certificate from the state of origin accompanying each bird being transported.
Again, neither agency could tell me how these regulations are being enforced.

Not much help, huh?

Kim, some of the other States I have showed at in the past, they had a state tester at the door when you arrived and if you had a NPIP letter you went right inside, if you did not they had the people lineup outside and wait to have the birds tested before entering the building.

 

[pinkchick]

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Most of these regulations have been in effect for several years. At the present time the Government is taking comments on putting the poultry and other small animals back on the identification being manditory status. From what I have read they are taking comment until November and will decide what to do. From what I read it will be left up to the individual states to run their own program. The whole writeup is on another forum.

Referencing NAIS correct?

 

[Debbi]

I don't know how much stock I'd put in the NPIP program. Aren't they tested annually? What's to say the tester doesn't bring in some "bugs" with him/her from the last place they came from to yours? Who's to say, that even if all the flock tested clean that day, that something couldn't show up a week later? Then you take the birds to a show, present you NPIP certificate, go on in, and spread those germs to everyone else? I think the more prudent way would be to test all birds that showed up to the shows, or were going to be shipped, but in reality, that's probably impractical and costly. I guess it's the best thing they have on hand right now, but if they are not going to enforce it, what's the point??

 

[Debbi]

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Most of these regulations have been in effect for several years. At the present time the Government is taking comments on putting the poultry and other small animals back on the identification being manditory status. From what I have read they are taking comment until November and will decide what to do. From what I read it will be left up to the individual states to run their own program. The whole writeup is on another forum.

Don,

Do you have a link for this? Seems to me, the Gov. is having a hard enough time tracking cattle. Can you imagine them tracking chickens??

 

[snowbird]

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Debbi, the only thing the NPIP certificate is oking is that they do not have Salmonella Polurum.

 

[enggass]

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Steve~

All I can say is call the USDA and speak with the person in charge of the NPIP program...when I did, they could not tell me how these regulations are being enforced and could not tell me how each state was suppose to implement these regs either. I asked if this was not the governing agency that set forth these regs and the response was yes, but I got silence when I asked how come they didn't know the answers.

I call my state vets and Ag. Dept. and they can only tell me that a person is participating in shipping hatching eggs and or poultry, or selling live chicks and eggs locally or in and out of this state should be NPIP certified and that it is illegal to ship any of the above if a person is not certified. However, NPIP certification and participation is voluntary. If transporting birds across state lines it is the responsibility of the transporter to be sure to have NPIP certification and or a health certificate from the state of origin accompanying each bird being transported.
Again, neither agency could tell me how these regulations are being enforced.

Not much help, huh?

People ship eggs to people all of the time it seems... Are people just ignoring the regulations? (not that I have a problem with that)

 

[snowbird]

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Most of these regulations have been in effect for several years. At the present time the Government is taking comments on putting the poultry and other small animals back on the identification being manditory status. From what I have read they are taking comment until November and will decide what to do. From what I read it will be left up to the individual states to run their own program. The whole writeup is on another forum.

Referencing NAIS correct?

Kim, you are correct. they show the article on show bird bid

 

[pinkchick]

Quote:
Steve~

All I can say is call the USDA and speak with the person in charge of the NPIP program...when I did, they could not tell me how these regulations are being enforced and could not tell me how each state was suppose to implement these regs either. I asked if this was not the governing agency that set forth these regs and the response was yes, but I got silence when I asked how come they didn't know the answers.

I call my state vets and Ag. Dept. and they can only tell me that a person is participating in shipping hatching eggs and or poultry, or selling live chicks and eggs locally or in and out of this state should be NPIP certified and that it is illegal to ship any of the above if a person is not certified. However, NPIP certification and participation is voluntary. If transporting birds across state lines it is the responsibility of the transporter to be sure to have NPIP certification and or a health certificate from the state of origin accompanying each bird being transported.
Again, neither agency could tell me how these regulations are being enforced.

Not much help, huh?

Kim, some of the other States I have showed at in the past, they had a state tester at the door when you arrived and if you had a NPIP letter you went right inside, if you did not they had the people lineup outside and wait to have the birds tested before entering the building.

This is when you are planning to attend a show, right?
I have no clue how it is enforced here in WA., (I don't show) at shows, but can say, when I call the State Vet to discuss NPIP and the cost of it being prohibitive to the majority of the public who owns poultry due to the fact that he is the only person that at this time does the testing in WA. (the vet tells me there are no private testers in WA. (ridiculous!) and if there is the State Vet office doesn't know about them or they do not want to refer them out to anyone) a person has to pay for the vet to come do the testing and we pay starting from when the vet leaves the office to the time the vet returns (we pay windsheild time....I shutter to think what poultry owners in Eastern WA. do because the only tester in the state....is located in Western WA.) and anything over so many birds that are age 6 mos. or over, every bird on farm must be tested at the guestimation of 2 minutes per bird at the hourly rate of $85.00 per hour. This does not include the price for each test and results.

 

[Debbi]

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Debbi, the only thing the NPIP certificate is oking is that they do not have Salmonella Polurum.

Yes, on that given day. But can the birds pick up the disease, say later on in the week, and no one would be the wiser for a year?