Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[pinkchick]

So for 3 plus years it just randomly didn't show up in my original birds? Then all of a sudden randomly showed up after new birds were brought in and only randomly showed up in those new birds offspring and then randomly at the same time still didn't show up in original birds that were still being mated to the same male?



It can't just be random.

 

[DMRippy]

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Found it, I think

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=495365&p=36

 

[gilavina]

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I agree. My dad has a ton of info on poultry genetics...a whole library worth...I'm gonna do some hunting around and see what I can find. He has books I've never seen elsewhere...so we'll see if I can find something. I'm going to be test mating this spring and have been following the carnation topic with great interest. If it is truly random...then we all are in a world of trouble. Especially if a birds passes through test mating...then pops up later on. How on earth can it really be tracked down and eliminated fully?

 

[Debbi]

Don and I will have to agree to disagree.

I don't believe it is random at all. Kim, think you are proud of JR's comb?? Look at Muttley's!

 

[pinkchick]

It can't just be random.

I take that back.....a portion of it must be random.....you know like the random clean legged chick that comes from 2 fully feather shanked parents, it's just that the genetic code fits together perfectly at random to produce one.​

 

[Hens and Roos]

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Found it, I think

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=495365&p=36

I think that is it!

 

[Debbi]

I will try to get a pic of the one Clyde son, out of a carrier hen. "Jeff" looks and even crows just like his dad, so no doubts in my mind who his father is. Now Jeff, has a semi-normal comb. I say semi-normal, because while it is NOT a carnation, it does show the indicators for a CARRIER, which he would be. Clean father (0 genes) x Carrier mother (1 gene) = Carrier son (1 gene). Same way with the pullet that is also a Clyde daughter. He has the exact comb type as Clyde, nice shape, not one of those "fat" or thick combs, off the neck, BUT...the indicators are there suggesting to me, carrier. One) too many points, and Two) odd shaped or half type points. I can almost guarantee, if I breed him (Jeff) to a carrier hen from the original lot (non-related); I will get carnation combs. JMO

 

[Debbi]

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I take that back.....a portion of it must be random.....you know like the random clean legged chick that comes from 2 fully feather shanked parents, it's just that the genetic code fits together perfectly at random to produce one.

I find it very hard to see it as random, especially with my small hatches and the large percentages of carnations. Thank God for small hatches, I'd hate to think how I'd feel if I had to look at 100 birds with these combs every day!!

 

[snowbird]

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I take that back.....a portion of it must be random.....you know like the random clean legged chick that comes from 2 fully feather shanked parents, it's just that the genetic code fits together perfectly at random to produce one.

Kim, I fail to see where you think it has anything to do with your original Fowl. I see no connection to your fowl in all of this. The tainted fowl will randomly show carnation combs, They sure do not show up 100%.

 

[Debbi]

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Found it, I think

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=495365&p=36

I think that is it!

Yes. The Carnation operates on the same principle as side sprigs. It takes two genes to express it. I only have one roo here with sprigs, but I believe he would also carry the one gene for the Carnation comb, as he has the other indicators as well. That's just me, and what do I know?? All I do know is what I am seeing here in my backyard.