Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!
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Oh...I'm such a proud Chickie Gramma of that JR...............
I know you are!
Look at the first pic of JR. See the funny 1/2 points and little nubs off of some of them? Does Gnarles have these type of points? That is an indicator in both roos and hens that they are a carrier!
Oh...I'm such a proud Chickie Gramma of that JR...............
I know you are!
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Kim, are you saying that the carnation combs showed up after crossing your Marans with the birds from the florida guy ? Then I would cull all the Florida Birds and test your original fowl. If this is true I still say you only have to have the gene on one side.
Kim, are you saying that the carnation combs showed up after crossing your Marans with the birds from the florida guy ? Then I would cull all the Florida Birds and test your original fowl. If this is true I still say you only have to have the gene on one side.
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Kim, I wish I had of went ahead with the Marans study to eliminate some of the unknown with the Marans. I would like to see what would happen with a mating if a tested proven clean male was used over a tainted female showing Carnation. I would then put a pullet out of this back with the male and put a cockerel back with the tainted female. I still think where it manifest itself is when we start breeding the off spring back with the original pair.
Something to keep in mind also is that the Carnation has nothing to do with the SPRIG, something else all together.
When the Comb showed up this year in your Marans what were the relations to each other. Why not breed one of the Carnation comb birds to another Variety of Marans you have that the comb has not showed up in.
Wish I could tell you something for sure, I have ideas and wish there was a way to prove them correct or not. There definitely needs to be a study done on this and documented. You will find that most will deny having this problem. I bought one dozen eggs lthis year off ebay and two of the chicks had Carnation comb and were Wheaten.
I wish you luch with this.
I can tell you, and save you much time. Breed a CLEAN MALE to a CARNATION COMBED FEMALE = CARNATION COMBED OFFSPRING
If you put one of these back with the clean male, you will have CARNATIONS
If you put a CARNATION MALE BACK WITH CARNATION MOM = DOUBLE DOSE CARNATIONS!
Been there, done that, got the stupid birds to prove it!
Look at the pics above.
Debbi, read your post. Basically what you have described is that only one gene is required from either male or female.
Kim, I wish I had of went ahead with the Marans study to eliminate some of the unknown with the Marans. I would like to see what would happen with a mating if a tested proven clean male was used over a tainted female showing Carnation. I would then put a pullet out of this back with the male and put a cockerel back with the tainted female. I still think where it manifest itself is when we start breeding the off spring back with the original pair.
Something to keep in mind also is that the Carnation has nothing to do with the SPRIG, something else all together.
When the Comb showed up this year in your Marans what were the relations to each other. Why not breed one of the Carnation comb birds to another Variety of Marans you have that the comb has not showed up in.
Wish I could tell you something for sure, I have ideas and wish there was a way to prove them correct or not. There definitely needs to be a study done on this and documented. You will find that most will deny having this problem. I bought one dozen eggs lthis year off ebay and two of the chicks had Carnation comb and were Wheaten.
I wish you luch with this.
I can tell you, and save you much time. Breed a CLEAN MALE to a CARNATION COMBED FEMALE = CARNATION COMBED OFFSPRING
If you put one of these back with the clean male, you will have CARNATIONS
If you put a CARNATION MALE BACK WITH CARNATION MOM = DOUBLE DOSE CARNATIONS!
Been there, done that, got the stupid birds to prove it!
Debbi, read your post. Basically what you have described is that only one gene is required from either male or female.
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Kim, are you saying that the carnation combs showed up after crossing your Marans with the birds from the florida guy ? Then I would cull all the Florida Birds and test your original fowl. If this is true I still say you only have to have the gene on one side.
Yes...that is what I am saying Don. This carnation comb only happened after the introduction of the birds from the dude in Florida. I have culled all of the birds from Florida with the exception of 4 Black Copper females, single mating and testing them right now.
As for the original birds...the ones I have left....I needn't cross them back to Gnarles, because I know from lots of past crosses, when they are crossed to Gnarles or Bill, they do not throw anything stupid. So who would I test them too? The new large Birchen male, maybe?
It's Gnarles over these hens from Florida that is producing the carnations. So far, the last of the Gnarles kiddos that I hatched from the last 4 Black Copper hens from Florida are still showing no signs and some are over a month old and 2 are going on 6 mos. old, not showing anything yet (however, I have my doubts on the pullet as her comb is getting bigger now that she is maturing) and a couple more that just hatched a couple weeks ago that are still good. If they all remain good, I may have narrowed it down, but probably not if both can and are carriers.
I believe I will basically have to start over from scratch.
Kim, are you saying that the carnation combs showed up after crossing your Marans with the birds from the florida guy ? Then I would cull all the Florida Birds and test your original fowl. If this is true I still say you only have to have the gene on one side.
Yes...that is what I am saying Don. This carnation comb only happened after the introduction of the birds from the dude in Florida. I have culled all of the birds from Florida with the exception of 4 Black Copper females, single mating and testing them right now.
As for the original birds...the ones I have left....I needn't cross them back to Gnarles, because I know from lots of past crosses, when they are crossed to Gnarles or Bill, they do not throw anything stupid. So who would I test them too? The new large Birchen male, maybe?
It's Gnarles over these hens from Florida that is producing the carnations. So far, the last of the Gnarles kiddos that I hatched from the last 4 Black Copper hens from Florida are still showing no signs and some are over a month old and 2 are going on 6 mos. old, not showing anything yet (however, I have my doubts on the pullet as her comb is getting bigger now that she is maturing) and a couple more that just hatched a couple weeks ago that are still good. If they all remain good, I may have narrowed it down, but probably not if both can and are carriers.
I believe I will basically have to start over from scratch.
Debbi~
No....Gnarles' comb does not have the extra little half points, but the blade of his comb looks like JR's with the extra little round nubbs with NO SPLIT and points on both sides.
No....Gnarles' comb does not have the extra little half points, but the blade of his comb looks like JR's with the extra little round nubbs with NO SPLIT and points on both sides.
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Kim, are you saying that the carnation combs showed up after crossing your Marans with the birds from the florida guy ? Then I would cull all the Florida Birds and test your original fowl. If this is true I still say you only have to have the gene on one side.
Yes...that is what I am saying Don. This carnation comb only happened after the introduction of the birds from the dude in Florida. I have culled all of the birds from Florida with the exception of 4 Black Copper females, single mating and testing them right now.
As for the original birds...the ones I have left....I needn't cross them back to Gnarles, because I know from lots of past crosses, when they are crossed to Gnarles or Bill, they do not throw anything stupid. So who would I test them too? The new large Birchen male, maybe?
It's Gnarles over these hens from Florida that is producing the carnations. So far, the last of the Gnarles kiddos that I hatched from the last 4 Black Copper hens from Florida are still showing no signs and some are over a month old and 2 are going on 6 mos. old, not showing anything yet (however, I have my doubts on the pullet as her comb is getting bigger now that she is maturing) and a couple more that just hatched a couple weeks ago that are still good. If they all remain good, I may have narrowed it down, but probably not if both can and are carriers.
I believe I will basically have to start over from scratch.
Would either Jake or Elwood work?
Kim, are you saying that the carnation combs showed up after crossing your Marans with the birds from the florida guy ? Then I would cull all the Florida Birds and test your original fowl. If this is true I still say you only have to have the gene on one side.
Yes...that is what I am saying Don. This carnation comb only happened after the introduction of the birds from the dude in Florida. I have culled all of the birds from Florida with the exception of 4 Black Copper females, single mating and testing them right now.
As for the original birds...the ones I have left....I needn't cross them back to Gnarles, because I know from lots of past crosses, when they are crossed to Gnarles or Bill, they do not throw anything stupid. So who would I test them too? The new large Birchen male, maybe?
It's Gnarles over these hens from Florida that is producing the carnations. So far, the last of the Gnarles kiddos that I hatched from the last 4 Black Copper hens from Florida are still showing no signs and some are over a month old and 2 are going on 6 mos. old, not showing anything yet (however, I have my doubts on the pullet as her comb is getting bigger now that she is maturing) and a couple more that just hatched a couple weeks ago that are still good. If they all remain good, I may have narrowed it down, but probably not if both can and are carriers.
I believe I will basically have to start over from scratch.
Would either Jake or Elwood work?
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I can tell you, and save you much time. Breed a CLEAN MALE to a CARNATION COMBED FEMALE = CARNATION COMBED OFFSPRING
If you put one of these back with the clean male, you will have CARNATIONS
If you put a CARNATION MALE BACK WITH CARNATION MOM = DOUBLE DOSE CARNATIONS!
Been there, done that, got the stupid birds to prove it!
Look at the pics above.
Debbi, read your post. Basically what you have described is that only one gene is required from either male or female.
No Don, I don't believe so. If you go back to my original post today, you will see that with the original birds' first clutch, only 4 out of 5 had carnations. That would mean ONE of those original hens is clean, and I have kept her back to test as well. So that left, the original roo carrier, one carrier hen, and one Carnation hen, and then now supposed clean hen. I guess I can tell more on her once I prove to myself that Clyde is clean, then breed her to him. I still stand by my theory, it takes one gene from both parents to produce the carnation comb. God help this breed if it only takes the one gene, we will never get rid of it!
I can tell you, and save you much time. Breed a CLEAN MALE to a CARNATION COMBED FEMALE = CARNATION COMBED OFFSPRING
If you put one of these back with the clean male, you will have CARNATIONS
If you put a CARNATION MALE BACK WITH CARNATION MOM = DOUBLE DOSE CARNATIONS!
Been there, done that, got the stupid birds to prove it!
Debbi, read your post. Basically what you have described is that only one gene is required from either male or female.
No Don, I don't believe so. If you go back to my original post today, you will see that with the original birds' first clutch, only 4 out of 5 had carnations. That would mean ONE of those original hens is clean, and I have kept her back to test as well. So that left, the original roo carrier, one carrier hen, and one Carnation hen, and then now supposed clean hen. I guess I can tell more on her once I prove to myself that Clyde is clean, then breed her to him. I still stand by my theory, it takes one gene from both parents to produce the carnation comb. God help this breed if it only takes the one gene, we will never get rid of it!
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Debbi, read your post. Basically what you have described is that only one gene is required from either male or female.
No Don, I don't believe so. If you go back to my original post today, you will see that with the original birds' first clutch, only 4 out of 5 had carnations. That would mean ONE of those original hens is clean, and I have kept her back to test as well. So that left, the original roo carrier, one carrier hen, and one Carnation hen, and then now supposed clean hen. I guess I can tell more on her once I prove to myself that Clyde is clean, then breed her to him. I still stand by my theory, it takes one gene from both parents to produce the carnation comb. God help this breed if it only takes the one gene, we will never get rid of it!
Debbi, I stated earlier that the Carnation would not show up in all chicks even from single matings with a tainted bird. It just shows up Randomly when it feels like it. The person I know that is crossing the Penne stated that it will show up more in males and will appear when it feels like it.
We will just have to agree to disagree. Good luck
Debbi, read your post. Basically what you have described is that only one gene is required from either male or female.
No Don, I don't believe so. If you go back to my original post today, you will see that with the original birds' first clutch, only 4 out of 5 had carnations. That would mean ONE of those original hens is clean, and I have kept her back to test as well. So that left, the original roo carrier, one carrier hen, and one Carnation hen, and then now supposed clean hen. I guess I can tell more on her once I prove to myself that Clyde is clean, then breed her to him. I still stand by my theory, it takes one gene from both parents to produce the carnation comb. God help this breed if it only takes the one gene, we will never get rid of it!
Debbi, I stated earlier that the Carnation would not show up in all chicks even from single matings with a tainted bird. It just shows up Randomly when it feels like it. The person I know that is crossing the Penne stated that it will show up more in males and will appear when it feels like it.
We will just have to agree to disagree. Good luck
Here are some new pics of Muttley. This is what I refer to as the "double dose" of Carnation! Keep in mind, this boy is just 7 1/2 months old, and this comb keeps popping out more by the day! His father carried one gene (normal comb). His mother has a Carnation comb, two genes. So Muttley ends up with this huge tree of a comb!
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