Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

Don,

You know I respect your knowledge and years of breeding. My concern is with the roos that look good at one year of age, but once they hit two years, things start to drastically change. Are we not supposed to use the roos until they are 2? If you use cockerels that look fine with no white now, what will they look like at 2 or 3 years of age? Gosh, that would really change the whole ball game! My dark boys had not white showing up until they would start a semi-molt; and that would entail a straggley, partially white sickle feather. When the feather molted out, it grew back in black. But now, at 2+ years, they both have white colored feathers in their wings! Black at the base, but white in the middle, black at the tips. Neither one has had what I would consider a "true" molt like my hens do. Could this be a problem with males? I would love to see both of them just go into a full blown molt, than to drop a feather or two at a time. Everyone gets fed the same here, and the hens will molt all the old feathers out, but the roos don't. So that brings me back to the initial question; how old do they have to be before you KNOW for SURE what you have, and what they are going to, (or not) pass on as far as the white goes?? You know where my boys came from, and the fact that they are so beefy, typey, came from nicely colored eggs, and so good natured means a lot to me. I may never show, but there are folks that have been asking me for chicks around here, and I can't sell any until I feel comfortable with what is going to be produced, and on a consistent basis. So, at 2+ years old, do I toss all the other qualities in lieu of these new white feathers, or try to improve with what I have? I, too, would love to find that one really nice roo, that will be all we want, with no white; but where the heck are they??
 
Debbi, This is one thing where I can honestly say I do not know what is going on and do not believe anyone else does. This might be like some of the other breeds like Brahma Bantam light and Buff where the male breast will color up black after 2-3 years.

The only way in my opinion with Marans it will take test matings and someone keeping large numbers to let them age to find out someof the problems. I will do some but more dedicated breeders are needed so notes can be compared.

The Wheaten and Black Copper are entirely different genetically and should never be mixed. I believe if we do the research and come up with a way to partially unlock the genes of the Marans it will be easier down the road.

But if we look at ebay you can see that it will be a tough road.
 
The fact is, we have a problem with Marans. There is NO doubt, genes have something to do with it. I'm hoping the science folks can figure out what gene(s) we need to eliminate in order to fix this problem we have with our birds right now. They may not be able to figure it out but I can't see ANY harm in at least trying to figure it out. At the very least, it might help us to limp forward.

I'm not meaning to be provocative but if you are aware of a BCM line somewhere that does not have this white feather problem and the person or people that have that line might be willing to "spread the wealth", I know there are more than a few of us that would buy in quite readily - several of which, if not all, that would be totally committed to proper line breeding when moving forward.


Nicely said,,,, would like to find a source myself, seems even the very popular, well known lines have the issues,,, doesn't help matters.
 
This spring was the first I hatched out a decent number of chicks that had the penguin look, but feathered in with very, very minimal white on the very tip of the wing (1/4 to 1/8") and lost that when they were about 15 to 20 weeks old. It will be very interesting to see how they continue growing as they are now coming up to 9 months old now. I have these birds in both black and blue coppers, so will have a variety to watch as they mature.
 
Vicki, glad you brought up the Penguin look as chicks. If you ever get chicks going the other way with brown around the head and body , go ahead and cull as they will end up being males with too much brown or hens that are mossy.
 
Thanks Don. I can't do the big numbers myself, but I do tend to hold onto my birds longer than most, or near most. I have been looking for a better roo to no avail, so I am forced to work with what I have, and in all other aspects, other than coloring, I have been pleased with the progress, after I did some heavy culling. Seems to me I read somewhere about the white being hidden by the "folded wing" being ok?? This is pretty much the same delema as the Wheaten roos have with the white coverts and fluff by the tail. I have seen quite a few other breeds of the Wheaten variety that have the same problem. Is this something that is inevitable in these roos, BCM and Wheaten, or is it truely something that can be bred out, and not having to wait 2 years to find out if it is true or not? I am glad I have held onto the birds I have now, as I have learned a bit about how they mature, and the changes that can and will occur; but if others aren't doing this, what happens to the gene pool, and can the problem ever be solved? It's been a tough road for me when I had the money to pursue this in ernest, but the funds are gone, so I have to work with what I have. I feel if I could find one good BCM roo, and one good Wheaten roo, I'd be on my way to improving the flocks. So far, the good roos are like trying to find the Holy Grail!
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Debbi, I have a male here that is a brother to your males mothers and he is ok.
So, is he less Presley, or less Jeane? I don't think at this point it matters what lineage they come from, the Marans' waters have been muddied. I would love to see a pic of him! I would love even more to get a son from him! You've got my e-mail...
 
Nicely said,,,, would like to find a source myself, seems even the very popular, well known lines have the issues,,, doesn't help matters.
Those WELL KNOWN lines are not what you think... Unless YOU BOUGHT THEM FROM THAT NAME BRAND BREEDER DIRECTLY they are NOT that breeders birds ANYMORE!
 
Those WELL KNOWN lines are not what you think... Unless YOU BOUGHT THEM FROM THAT NAME BRAND BREEDER DIRECTLY they are NOT that breeders birds ANYMORE!
Yet even if you do, there are still major problems that crop up! No one has it down pat yet, NO one!
 

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