OOOps .. I lied.. I like number 3 better than 4 but I think there may be one I like better than 3... Kinda appears roach backed... I want to take anothe look in the morning... Still haven't come off my top bird number 6... I just like that one real well. It was number 3 not 4 that had the good copper along with 6....(hazards of staying up too late.)... Thanks for making me look agian Ivywoods