PS, I sure hope there is time to get "flaming hackles" into the proposed standard. Almost every roo posted has it to some degree or another, and it is beautiful to my way of thinking.
Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!
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, I have talked to Walt about the black stripe with the copper border even though it is not in the MCCUSA standard it will be covered by the SOP under the brown red color pattern. Don
, I have talked to Walt about the black stripe with the copper border even though it is not in the MCCUSA standard it will be covered by the SOP under the brown red color pattern. Don
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, I have talked to Walt about the black stripe with the copper border even though it is not in the MCCUSA standard it will be covered by the SOP under the brown red color pattern. Don
Don, I think she was talking about the copper to gold to copper coloration on the hackles??
, I have talked to Walt about the black stripe with the copper border even though it is not in the MCCUSA standard it will be covered by the SOP under the brown red color pattern. Don
Don, I think she was talking about the copper to gold to copper coloration on the hackles??
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, I have talked to Walt about the black stripe with the copper border even though it is not in the MCCUSA standard it will be covered by the SOP under the brown red color pattern. Don
Don, I think she was talking about the copper to gold to copper coloration on the hackles??
When they talk about the Flambe in hackle they are talking about the copper v-shape feather with black stripe. I have never read anything saying that the blended hackle is a fault. I am not saying that it could not be a small deduction but do not know for sure. Don
, I have talked to Walt about the black stripe with the copper border even though it is not in the MCCUSA standard it will be covered by the SOP under the brown red color pattern. Don
Don, I think she was talking about the copper to gold to copper coloration on the hackles??
When they talk about the Flambe in hackle they are talking about the copper v-shape feather with black stripe. I have never read anything saying that the blended hackle is a fault. I am not saying that it could not be a small deduction but do not know for sure. Don
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Take a look at the comments from the person from Hungary, he says the white in tail and wing has something to do with the Melanizers. Don
Ha, pardon my ignorance. I did read that but being a novice I'm still trying to understand what a melanizer is.
Just thought of another APA question. First, Marans are not Marans unless they lay a 4 or better. Correct? At least thats according to the French. Is that actually in their SOP? and if so will it also be in the APA SOP?
Take a look at the comments from the person from Hungary, he says the white in tail and wing has something to do with the Melanizers. Don
Ha, pardon my ignorance. I did read that but being a novice I'm still trying to understand what a melanizer is.
Just thought of another APA question. First, Marans are not Marans unless they lay a 4 or better. Correct? At least thats according to the French. Is that actually in their SOP? and if so will it also be in the APA SOP?
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Take a look at the comments from the person from Hungary, he says the white in tail and wing has something to do with the Melanizers. Don
Ha, pardon my ignorance. I did read that but being a novice I'm still trying to understand what a melanizer is.
Just thought of another APA question. First, Marans are not Marans unless they lay a 4 or better. Correct? At least thats according to the French. Is that actually in their SOP? and if so will it also be in the APA SOP?
The only part I can answer is that the #4 on the color chart will not be in the SOP for the Marans as they could care less what color egg they lay, They are into showing the actual bird. I do not know enough about the Genetic stuff to answer your question. Don
Take a look at the comments from the person from Hungary, he says the white in tail and wing has something to do with the Melanizers. Don
Ha, pardon my ignorance. I did read that but being a novice I'm still trying to understand what a melanizer is.
Just thought of another APA question. First, Marans are not Marans unless they lay a 4 or better. Correct? At least thats according to the French. Is that actually in their SOP? and if so will it also be in the APA SOP?
The only part I can answer is that the #4 on the color chart will not be in the SOP for the Marans as they could care less what color egg they lay, They are into showing the actual bird. I do not know enough about the Genetic stuff to answer your question. Don
Cowgirl,
The melanizer is the gene that produces the dark coloration, as in black and mahogany colors. Too much melanizer and you get pullets with no copper or very dark copper hackles, and cockerels that have mahogony hackles, and maybe much more in the way of traits that I am ignorant to.
That's a good question. According to what I've garnered, the APA could give a hoot about the egg color, and are only interested in the conformation of the breed. The egg shows are sponsered by the Marans clubs, so my guess would be that the egg color would not be included in the APA SOP for the breed. Experts, am I wrong here?? That's my take on it.
The melanizer is the gene that produces the dark coloration, as in black and mahogany colors. Too much melanizer and you get pullets with no copper or very dark copper hackles, and cockerels that have mahogony hackles, and maybe much more in the way of traits that I am ignorant to.
That's a good question. According to what I've garnered, the APA could give a hoot about the egg color, and are only interested in the conformation of the breed. The egg shows are sponsered by the Marans clubs, so my guess would be that the egg color would not be included in the APA SOP for the breed. Experts, am I wrong here?? That's my take on it.
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I have been reading everything posted diligently and most of it flies by me but I presist !!!!!!!!!! I think I am starting to get a sense of it. Now............to make it simple you would need beginning stock that has not been crossed with Wheaten (if I understand correctly)................ Is this even possible & if it is Where????? I am certainly no money bags but would pay more for birds that gave me a better chance to breed true if I thought they were available. Have almost all the BCM out there been crossed with Wheatens at one point or another or are there breeders who have bred true? I love the learning but it would be easy to get frustrated before you evn get going if things are that bad out there.
I have been reading everything posted diligently and most of it flies by me but I presist !!!!!!!!!! I think I am starting to get a sense of it. Now............to make it simple you would need beginning stock that has not been crossed with Wheaten (if I understand correctly)................ Is this even possible & if it is Where????? I am certainly no money bags but would pay more for birds that gave me a better chance to breed true if I thought they were available. Have almost all the BCM out there been crossed with Wheatens at one point or another or are there breeders who have bred true? I love the learning but it would be easy to get frustrated before you evn get going if things are that bad out there.
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Some say yes - - there are some nice birds out there that are SQ and without the wheaten issues. Others say NAY - - - and that is our goal "to reach the standard" some way some how.
I look at it this way - - - my birds have issues and if everyone else's birds have issues too then we are on even steven ground! So, I am not really that far behind, if everyone else has issues too. Needless to say, I don't get frustrated when there is talk about how "bad" it is.
I have been reading all the posts too. It seems way to complicated to me. I just need a straight answer to a simple question - - - i.e. Can it be fixed ? ?
The debate about the source of the problem is irrelevant to me. I don't care who spilled the kool-aide. I just care about cleaning it up. Same thing with the last 15 pages of discussion of the wheaton influence genes. Where the issue came from is not nearly as important to me as HOW TO GET RID OF IT. . . . . .
THIS IS JUST ME - - - I am a Black and White type person. I absolutely mean NO OFFENSE to those who like to know the history involved in the wheaton - white feather - etc. issues. I will keep reading the posts as you guys / gals discuss it - - BUT OMG could somebody throw me a bone and post a picture of something with feathers PLEASE ! ! ! !
SewandGrow, I have found no shortcuts yet. I would like some of Pink's birds
, but other than that I will be doing the best I can with what I have. That is where the fun is for me - - - how good can I make what I have.
I really think if the Ohio chicken show - - as large as the pictures indicated that it was - - - lacked quality marans, then we are going to see a lot of birds like mine (with issues) !
Some say yes - - there are some nice birds out there that are SQ and without the wheaten issues. Others say NAY - - - and that is our goal "to reach the standard" some way some how.
I look at it this way - - - my birds have issues and if everyone else's birds have issues too then we are on even steven ground! So, I am not really that far behind, if everyone else has issues too. Needless to say, I don't get frustrated when there is talk about how "bad" it is.
I have been reading all the posts too. It seems way to complicated to me. I just need a straight answer to a simple question - - - i.e. Can it be fixed ? ?
The debate about the source of the problem is irrelevant to me. I don't care who spilled the kool-aide. I just care about cleaning it up. Same thing with the last 15 pages of discussion of the wheaton influence genes. Where the issue came from is not nearly as important to me as HOW TO GET RID OF IT. . . . . .
THIS IS JUST ME - - - I am a Black and White type person. I absolutely mean NO OFFENSE to those who like to know the history involved in the wheaton - white feather - etc. issues. I will keep reading the posts as you guys / gals discuss it - - BUT OMG could somebody throw me a bone and post a picture of something with feathers PLEASE ! ! ! !
SewandGrow, I have found no shortcuts yet. I would like some of Pink's birds
I really think if the Ohio chicken show - - as large as the pictures indicated that it was - - - lacked quality marans, then we are going to see a lot of birds like mine (with issues) !
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some birds that are good stock will carry wheaton...It is recessive and just shows up from time to time.. you find the offender/s and reissue a new address.
#4+ is marans.. anything else is a mutt or in some cases a pretty bird...
(maraindaise type)
Okay Mathace...here you go... someones chickens.
Someone needs to make him walk with a book on his head... lol
Feel better?
#4+ is marans.. anything else is a mutt or in some cases a pretty bird...
Okay Mathace...here you go... someones chickens.
Someone needs to make him walk with a book on his head... lol
Feel better?
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