Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

I'd love to see photos of you pairing process,,, perhaps explain what you pair up for what improvements.
Honestly, most of the process for me just comes from years and years of breeding, so don't know if I could take photos of it. When pairing up birds, it all depends on what you are wanting. I'm going to be focusing on the blue coppers most this year in the copper variety of the Marans. So, selecting birds with really good body type is a priority as I'm working on creating them from blacks and splashes and will use the few blue coppers I have created from last year. Simple things I look at for example would be combs, if a bird has too many points, trying to pair them with a bird with less points on the comb, I also do the same for wing carriage, tail set, leg feathering and etc. I also put a lot of focus on stance and structure of the pair. Another thing I work on when working with blues is the color of the pair and what color tone of blue they will give me. For example, if breeding a black to a blue, you will get darker blues, so if you are starting with a blue bird that is already a deeper blue, it may not get me where I want to go color wise in the offspring. So, having the use of a splash bird to pair over a darker blue to help lighten the blue in the following generation would perhaps make a better pairing. Overall, the longer a person is breeding birds, the more consistency that should show up in the body type of the bird, so can focus more on the details. When first starting out I spent a lot of time breeding for mostly body type. Now that is it well established of course I'll continue working on it, but it affords me a more level field to pick from type wise so smaller details can be focused on without compromising type if that makes sense. Each year the focus might be different, as well as each pairing, depending upon what color bird I'm working with or breed might be totally different than the next.
 
Honestly, most of the process for me just comes from years and years of breeding, so don't know if I could take photos of it. When pairing up birds, it all depends on what you are wanting. I'm going to be focusing on the blue coppers most this year in the copper variety of the Marans. So, selecting birds with really good body type is a priority as I'm working on creating them from blacks and splashes and will use the few blue coppers I have created from last year. Simple things I look at for example would be combs, if a bird has too many points, trying to pair them with a bird with less points on the comb, I also do the same for wing carriage, tail set, leg feathering and etc. I also put a lot of focus on stance and structure of the pair. Another thing I work on when working with blues is the color of the pair and what color tone of blue they will give me. For example, if breeding a black to a blue, you will get darker blues, so if you are starting with a blue bird that is already a deeper blue, it may not get me where I want to go color wise in the offspring. So, having the use of a splash bird to pair over a darker blue to help lighten the blue in the following generation would perhaps make a better pairing. Overall, the longer a person is breeding birds, the more consistency that should show up in the body type of the bird, so can focus more on the details. When first starting out I spent a lot of time breeding for mostly body type. Now that is it well established of course I'll continue working on it, but it affords me a more level field to pick from type wise so smaller details can be focused on without compromising type if that makes sense. Each year the focus might be different, as well as each pairing, depending upon what color bird I'm working with or breed might be totally different than the next.
Makes total sense, and thanks for sharing,,, you've definitely accomplished the 'body type',,, love the look of some of your pullets you've posted.
Do you have a photo of a blue copper that is close to the color that you prefer or believe to be ideal ?
 
Makes total sense, and thanks for sharing,,, you've definitely accomplished the 'body type',,, love the look of some of your pullets you've posted.
Do you have a photo of a blue copper that is close to the color that you prefer or believe to be ideal ?
The blue copper male I posted a while back is probably about the closest to the right shade for showing. I happen to prefer a bit darker, like Luella, my blue copper's color. Usually at shows tho, the medium blues will place better.

Here's some blues that have tones I would consider a nice medium color. The key for me, no matter what breed of blues I'm raising is to have the presence of nice edging on the feathers. I think because I was taught about birds on blue breeds, its not hard, but know for a lot of people breeding the blues with the edging can be a challenge, but really do think it is what takes a bird that is fantastic in all respects and puts them up over the top.





 
Thanks by the way Ray for the compliments on the work I've done on the type of my birds. I'm very happy with where they are and can't wait to get a couple more years of work into them!
 
The blue copper male I posted a while back is probably about the closest to the right shade for showing. I happen to prefer a bit darker, like Luella, my blue copper's color. Usually at shows tho, the medium blues will place better.

Here's some blues that have tones I would consider a nice medium color. The key for me, no matter what breed of blues I'm raising is to have the presence of nice edging on the feathers. I think because I was taught about birds on blue breeds, its not hard, but know for a lot of people breeding the blues with the edging can be a challenge, but really do think it is what takes a bird that is fantastic in all respects and puts them up over the top.






As always- valuable information. I have three blue coppers (can not wait to fill the pens with them lol) - two pullets and a cockerel and I am able to see the difference in the color blue as well as the edging. I love my darker, crisper color blue that my youngest blue pullet has. Really stands out next to the other birds.
 
Just wondering if my Roo looks blue or black?

I would say black.
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. The key for me, no matter what breed of blues I'm raising is to have the presence of nice edging on the feathers. I think because I was taught about birds on blue breeds, its not hard, but know for a lot of people breeding the blues with the edging can be a challenge, but really do think it is what takes a bird that is fantastic in all respects and puts them up over the top.


Vicki,

Do you think the nice blue with edging is easier to get with....

A.) Blue x Blue pairing
B.) Blue x Black pairing
C.) Blue x Spalsh pairing ? ? ? ?
 
Vicki,

Do you think the nice blue with edging is easier to get with....

A.) Blue x Blue pairing
B.) Blue x Black pairing
C.) Blue x Spalsh pairing ? ? ? ?
honestly, it depends on what you are starting with. If you are starting with a dark blue, putting it onto the splash will help to lighten the tone of the blue, but holds the chance the edging will be lost, depending on the quality of the blue. It can also work out beautifully in terms of edging, just depends on the depth of the blue color that was bred to the splash.
The blue to black will darken the blue, so if you are using a darker blue, more than likely the edging will be lost due to the darker tone. If you are working with a medium blue that lacks the edging it can be possible you will gain the edging, but depending on the cross can go too dark and not gain any. If you have a light blue, crossing onto a black can help to bring the coloring to a medium tone and gain the edging.
A blue to blue pairing I most often will do when I am satisfied with the tone of the blue on the pair. I don't like breeding blues that have too much varied tone of color as it is really easy to lose edging that way. Hope this makes sense. I've been up for a long time this morning already.
 
My sweet BCM laid her first egg today...I hate to say I'm disappointed, but I was expecting a much darker chocolate color. It has a thick, chalky bloom and is in the same color range as my sex-links. Pictured bellow, next to a cream silky egg (she's the only other one laying at the moment), in natural light, it looks darker...but still not what I expected. Did i expect too much? Will it darken up? Or was I "had"? The woman claimed pure Wade Jean bread to pure Bev Davis lines.
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