Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[Stellar]

Wade Jean birds...unlikely.

But I am not into showing my birds, more preservation in their beauty and heritage. I strive for the best in their quality. These are great breeders and yes, they are separated. Great bloodlines.

 

[crash0330]

Hello, i have a question regarding a little chick I hatched a while back I bought the eggs off ebay, and he hatched out of a really dark egg.
My question is is he really a Copper Maran roo, or maybe a cross?
Also I have this little pullet hatched at the same time from really dark eggs too is she pure or maybe a cross?
They both are 14 weeks old btw.

 

[criker99]

OK Doing some research on Chick #1 ... here's what I've found on golden salmon ... recognizing that this is from the australian marans club and I have to say I think that is what the chick is:

Colours based on the e+ allele

Golden-Salmon chicks:

(Black-red)


Golden Salmon trio:

This Marans colour, which to date not recognized by the French Standard, is still very rare. The present French breeding stock show outstanding plumage, as well as dark egg colour qualities, but serious flaws exist notably in lack of weight. These birds require, in France, a great deal of improvement. The Golden-salmon Marans is more commonly known as a Black Breasted Red (cock) and Partridge (hen). It is in fact a Red Duckwing based on e+ and s+. This colour was obtained from the original crosses with the Old English Game cocks, where it remains a common variety in that breed to this day. The allele responsible for this plumage pattern is e+. It is accompanied by the presence of the gold (s+) allele. Thus Golden-Salmon variety male is e+/e+ s+/s+ and the hen e+/e+, s+/-. When gold (s+) is replaced by silver (S), we have the Silver-Salmon variety.




Black-red chicks (Golden-Salmon), these e+ chicks have a very distinctive hatch down pattern.

Description of the Golden-salmon Marans



The cock:



The Golden-Salmon cock’s plumage is very different to that of the hen.
Being similar to that of the Wheaten cock. Like the Wheaten it has gold/copper finery on a black plumage background, to which is added a cinnamon-fawn coloured wing triangle (a Duck wing), which should not be confused with the black wing triangle (a Crow wing) of the Brown-Red variety. The breast must be black with a duller black abdomen. The hackles and the lancets are copper coloured with variable tones (from orange to golden-coppery) and possibly bordered with black lacing.

The back and the small of the back are an auburn-red colour with dark velvet red shoulders. The wing triangle is fawn or cinnamon brown coloured, and made by the folded wing secondaries. The tails is black as are the primary flights, and the wingbows. The eyes are an orangey-red.

The hen:
The hackle is light golden colour with black tips, with a salmon reddish-brown breast. This latter colour is close to the grey/brown tones around the underside of the belly, the tail and is close to a reddish tone on the thighs.

Note: This salmon coloured breast is a fundamental identification mark of this e+ Duckwing variety. It gives its name to the variety, and should not be confused with the patterned "Partridge" variety which is based on the eb Brown allele. This eb bird never has a salmon breast, and eb does not to exist in any present day Marans varieties. The wing flights as well as the tail feathers are also a blackish-brown with a little brown stippling. The eyes are orangery-red.



The genome of the Golden-Salmon cock is e+/e+ s+/s+ W/W Id/Id Pti-1/Pti-1 and the hen e+/e+ s+/- W/W Id/- Pti-1/Pti-1


SERIOUS DEFECTS TO BE AVOIDED



Hen: Lack of salmon coloured breast

Per: http://frenchmaransclubaustralia.yolasite.com/notes-on-breeding.php

 

[BevDavis]

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If someone sells mixed up Eggs why would I want to IM them instead of saying what I have to say on the open forum. The reason people get by selling this junk is because no one will say they are junk. These eggs were bought on BYC so the truth should be known.

I agree. So many people don't know what they are selling and you really need to know the breed. I studied the Marans for 2 years.

Hi

If you don't mind me asking, where did you study Marans for two years?

Bev

 

[Stellar]

I was reading on the side in college. I am more a quail lady with the coturnix and Chinese Blue Breasted Quail. Brought my first Pair of FBCM Back to Florida with me and fell in love. I am into the genetics of colors and working towards Graduate school.

 

[poularde]

Wow! Do not skip a day for this thread. That was a lot of post in a day and a half. I enjoy this thread and learning about marans. I thought i would share a few pics. These are babies I hope may be good enough for breeding. One of their first times out.

Here is a photo of my gabbard farm marans with their wyandotte hatchmate. The roosters will not be with us much longer.

 

[jeremy]

That chipmunk colored chick looks more like an EE to me than a Marans.

How could a Golden Salmon bird just "pop up" out of a line, when there are essentially NO GS Marans in the US?

It will be interesting to see what those chicks look like in 6 months...

 

[daegorn]

Don't kill me, but the pic of the roo and henn look just like the other dark egg chicken...how in the world do you tell them apart?
PS what kind of sport horses, do you event?

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[criker99]

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We have a wide variety of breeds ... no breed snobbery here: thoroughbred, clydesdale/thoroughbred, percheron/thoroughbred, appaloosa/thoroughbred, morgan, halflinger, clyde/tb/pinto, and holsteiner.

Not a sport snob either, we do: eventing, dressage, show jumping, polocrosse, english gaming/gymkana, western pleasure, stockseat equitation, western gaming (barrel racing/pole bending/etc), cow sorting, team penning, and trail riding.

Guess that says a lot about our flexibility in all of our farming! We try real hard not to wear blinders and just see where things take us. Hence the marans project!

 

[daegorn]

My wonderful boy from Wa! He is Tb/Appy!

sorry I'm off topic...