Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[Debbi]

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You can't have some alleged influences, without the alleged genes

 

[snowbird]

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I agree with you that the Wheaten is a lot better type and color wise than the BC. They are supposed to go for approval at the crossroads show next fall and I plan on being there with some of my wheaten. If they can get the numbers required I believe they will be approved . I believe the wheaten in general breeds more true than the BC. Don

 

[The Point]

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The picture is really bad, but here it is....

 

[snowbird]

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I disagree. Most everyone knows that what we are talking about is from wheaten Gene being mixed in the BC Marans. You came to the wrong place looking for an argument today. No one is biting today. I wonder how many posting Ids a person can legally have on BYC? Don

 

[Darth Egger]

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I disagree. Most everyone knows that what we are talking about is from wheaten Gene being mixed in the BC Marans. You came to the wrong place looking for an argument today. No one is biting today. I wonder how many posting Ids a person can legally have on BYC? Don

What I'm referring to is the one single gene that makes a Wheaten a Wheaten, versus the little traits you guys are calling Wheaten influences. I thought you would understand what I meant.

 

[Darth Egger]

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You can't have some alleged influences, without the alleged genes

This is correct, but it's too bad you misunderstood my point about "THE" Wheaten gene. I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. THE Wheaten gene is actually pretty easy to remove. Those "influences" which linger, well, nevermind, you guys don't want to hear it.

 

[Chickielady]

Thankyou The Point !!! So she is an English Silver Cuckoo ?
Nice fat hen...

 

[n.smithurmond]

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If it is your desire to breed only true Black Coppers, it would behoove you to cull out the Wheaton influenced birds. If someone comes to you looking for Black Copper and gets some Wheatons it will come back on you. The gene itself really doesn't deter from the "look" of the bird, in fact, physically, he could be very correct. It's the coloring aspect of the thing...it's NOT a pure/true Black Copper. All that said, if you just want to sell eggs and chicks as "dark egg layers", well they can be purple with pink polka dots!

If you want to sell show stock that conforms to the SOP, then you would (hopefully) want to do it right! I just think of the FFA and 4-H kids that may come looking for eggs or birds, and I don't want them getting any surprises at their first show!

I see. I'm not arguing for or against anything, just trying to understand the argument. But if breeders are culling for these that means they're still showing up, right? So are all breeders with wheaten influenced birds popping up not using pure/true Black Coppers? Don, you mentioned that you've culled 100's of birds this year with the same issue. Does that mean that your birds are not pure/true Black Coppers or that there's really no way to identify the correctly colored birds that are carrying the gene? I'm assuming since you're culling so heavily that your breeders meet the standard for Black Coppers in terms of color, but why then are there still 100's cropping up that have to be culled? I guess what I'm asking is what is the likelihood that holding out for a rooster that doesn't exhibit any wheaten influence going to increase my chances of eliminating the gene from my breeding pen if so many correctly colored birds are producing culls? Probably better than if I'm using a rooster I KNOW has the gene! But to what degree?

 

[flgardengirl]

Wow I sure have missed alot of posts the last few days lol. Trying to get caught up.

Congratulations Ruth on your egg win!! Pretty birds and pretty eggs...you go girl

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x2 , btw, my girls wanna play with Bill too...not fair lol!!

n.smith..I love your pullet. She looks like she will get to be a nice size when mature. What color are her eyes? The photo makes them look dark but photos do that sometimes. Some of the young ones do have dark or greenish eyes and they turn to the proper orangish color later.

 

[n.smithurmond]

No, they're super dark. Nearly black. The other pullet with the heavier leg feathering has orangish eyes. She's also, in my opinion, one of the meanest looking pullets I've ever seen!