Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

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The question you should ask is . . . "Did they get their stock directly from Bev Davis or Wade Jean?".

Once a person sells their stock to someone else and that person breeds and sells them to someone else and that person breeds and sells to someone else. ... . well lots of things can happen if culling practices aren't maintained.
It doesn't change where the birds orginally came from. . . . .

Each breeders birds demonstrate certain characteristics. Each breeder determines what is important to them in their breeding program / goals. For example, MAYBE this person was concentrating on COMBS and not leg feathering. . . . In the nature of breeding, one genreation will be different from the next. . . . That is why IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW HOW FAR REMOVED FROM THE ORIGINAL BREEDER THAT THE STOCK IS. . .

If the marans are many generations away from the breeder it DOES NOT MEAN they are not pure. It does indicate that they will not be the same as they were if you had got them from the original breeder. . . . They could be better or they could be worse.

Hope this helps you out . . . .

Here's another variable to throw in -- does "from ___'s stock" mean that ALL the parents/grandparents/great-grandparents/etc are from those breeders' stocks? If this person got ONE bird from each breeder, and those birds were culls, and then he bred them to whatever he had, does that still qualify as "from stock from Bev Davis and Wade Jean C1"? Just something to think about.

Some people say I'm picky. I say "yes, I'm Always Noticing Another Loophole." (hehehe)

ETA...funny...I didn't think THAT word would be edited automatically to "picky." Now my joke is not nearly as mildly funny as I intended.

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When I say that my birds originated from Bev Davis or are of Bev Davis lines, it is soley for the purpose of letting prespective buyers or interested parties know where my birds came from. I find that some people want to know where I got my start because they may specifically be looking for stock from that particular breeder or they may not, and some people couldn't care less and just want dark egg layers....it's all good with me for whatever reason they want the bird or breed, but I am sure to let them know that just because they originated from Bev's lines does not mean that they are Bev's birds and she is not here making breeding decisions for me and telling me who to breed to who or who not to breed. When I got my first birds and they reached breeding age...it was up to me to make those decisions there for they became my line but originated from Davis stock.

Hope this helps!
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Here's another variable to throw in -- does "from ___'s stock" mean that ALL the parents/grandparents/great-grandparents/etc are from those breeders' stocks? If this person got ONE bird from each breeder, and those birds were culls, and then he bred them to whatever he had, does that still qualify as "from stock from Bev Davis and Wade Jean C1"? Just something to think about.

Some people say I'm picky. I say "yes, I'm Always Noticing Another Loophole." (hehehe)

ETA...funny...I didn't think THAT word would be edited automatically to "picky." Now my joke is not nearly as mildly funny as I intended.

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When I say that my birds originated from Bev Davis or are of Bev Davis lines, it is soley for the purpose of letting prespective buyers or interested parties know where my birds came from. I find that some people want to know where I got my start because they may specifically be looking for stock from that particular breeder or they may not, and some people couldn't care less and just want dark egg layers....it's all good with me for whatever reason they want the bird or breed, but I am sure to let them know that just because they originated from Bev's lines does not mean that they are Bev's birds and she is not here making breeding decisions for me and telling me who to breed to who or who not to breed. When I got my first birds and they reached breeding age...it was up to me to make those decisions there for they became my line but originated from Davis stock.

Hope this helps!
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Very well spoken, Pinkchick!
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wont matter were they came from ,even if all the stock has feathered legs
they can still throw clean legs ,,,, as far as breeders lines and names that fallow will last as long as a open bottle of beer and go flat fast another words
i dont have bev davis tied to a tree next to my coop picking sop in my yard and as fast as the chickens breed (like crazy ). we cant ride there shirt tail very long
after all she might show up , take one look at my muts and smack me , im glad she hates the cold and wont climb the side of the mountian to get to me lol lol
and heres some reading to explane feathered legs
The gene for Marans type shank feathering is a dominant gene, Pti-1.
So a birds that is heterozygous Pti-1/pti-1+ will have shank feathers.
Two heterozygous Pti-1/pti-1+ birds mated together will produce (in large numbers) 1:4 clean shanked chicks.
However just to complicate things there is also a recessive 'feather shank inhibitor gene' (no symbol) and even birds that are homozygous for Pti-1, but also carry the recessive 'feather shank inhibitor gene' can when mated together produce chicks with clean shanks. As a result of the combined action of two opposing genes you can get a big variation in the degree of shank feathering. As far as breeding is concerned you have two choices:- 1 cull all clean shanked birds ( you can sell them to the people that prefer the English type birds), or only use males with good feathered shanks over the hens.
ps i have all feathered leg stock but throw a clean chick every 25 or 30 from useing (breeding 8 hens and one roo) , no reason to cull them all and very hard to locate the bird doing it , unless i one on one breed them and not worth it .... what is your ratio of clean legs

If you breed the clean shanked pullet back to her father, and hatch at least 20 chicks, you will get an indication as to whether he is carrying the recessive 'feather inhibitor'. Even only one chick will be confirmation.


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Hmm, sure that's a hen?? Looks like an overly red, Blue Copper cockerel to me?
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Debbi, look at her back, if that is a male he is doing more than a male should be doing. Don
 
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Steven,

On this thread, it is best to remind us what the original question was, as the thread moves so fast!
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I remember though, and to this question, yes. Keep in mind, that Black and Blue Coppers are birchens too. They just express the gold gene. The offspring you are talking about will have both the gold and silver birchen gene. Birchen is the pattern, then color it in with either gold or silver.
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