Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[robnms]

Thanks for the info, I'm just trying to get some info on the standards because there's conflicking info floating around.

 

[gilavina]

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I hear you on that! ...there is quite a bit of good info on the MCCUSA site....most of the color variety standards are still in the process of being finalized, but at least you can keep up with what is being proposed to the APA and etc that way.

 

[robnms]

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Excuse me and Goggle for not knowing every acronym is but what is MCCUSA???

MCCUSA stands for Marans Chicken Club USA. They are the club that has been working with the APA on the Black Coppers getting approved.

I've been to that site and noticed that the standards are different from http://maransofamericaclub.com/blackcoppermarans.php compared to http://www.maransusa.org/standards.html eye description and comb is the biggest difference I see and I've also noticed some that are tall and lean compared to short and stocky looking. APA needs to post a pic of what they consider the standard and put this "my chicken is better than your chicken" idea of the standard to rest. I can only guess that Bev Davis will provide the pic and that won't satisfy everyone with stock that breeds true.

 

[math ace]

ROBNMS - - This is the last version of the proposed standard that I saw. . . .
Hopefully, it will help you

BLACK COPPER MARANS 7 /26/10 version

Disqualifications (approved 7/26/10)
Yellow on shanks or toes. White ear lobes. Pearl or black eyes. Absence of feathers on shanks. (See General Disqualifications and Cutting for Defects.)

Standard Weights (approved 6/11/10)
Cock….…..8 lbs Hen……6 1/2 lbs
Cockerel….7lbs Pullet…..5 1/2 lbs

Shape—Male (approved 6/11/10)
COMB: Single, moderately large, straight, upright, evenly serrated with five points; the blade not touching the neck.
BEAK: Long, stout and well curved.
FACE: Smooth, skin fine and soft in texture.
EYES: Large and prominent.
WATTLES: Medium in size, oval, skin fine in texture.
EAR-LOBES: Average in size, long.
HEAD: Moderate in size, slightly flattened on top, and long.
NECK: Moderately long and full, arched. Hackle abundant, flowing well over the shoulders.
BACK: Wide at the shoulders, long, flat, slightly tilted to the rear. Slightly more inclined than that of the female.
Saddle feathers -- abundant, saddle large and slightly raised.
TAIL: Full, rather short, carried at an angle of 45 degrees above horizontal.
Main tail feathers -- broad and overlapping, shorter than average.
Sickles -- shorter than average.
WINGS: Short, held close to the body, carriage nearly horizontal.
Primaries and secondaries -- broad and overlapping in natural order when wing is folded.
BREAST: Strong, broad, and full. Well rounded when viewed from both the front and side.
BODY AND FLUFF: Body -- deep, long and broad, especially through the shoulders which are carried high. Overall, rectangular in shape.
Fluff -- medium in length.
LEGS and TOES: Legs set well apart and straight when viewed from the front.
Lower thighs -- strong and well feathered.
Shanks -- medium length, stout, and straight; lightly feathered down the outer sides.
Toes -- four long and well-separated toes on each foot. Outer toes lightly feathered, middle toes free from feathers.
PLUMAGE: Moderately tight and smooth textured.

Shape—Female (approved 7/09/10)

COMB: Single, smaller than that of the male; straight and upright, evenly serrated with five points, and fine in texture. No female in or near production with the rear portion of the comb lopped should be discriminated against.
BEAK: Long, stout and well curved.
FACE: Smooth, skin fine and soft in texture.
EYES: Large and prominent.
WATTLES: Medium in size, oval.
EAR-LOBES: Average in size, long.
HEAD: Moderate in size, slightly flattened on top, and long.
BACK: Wide at the shoulders, long, flat, and slightly tilted to the rear. Slightly less inclined that that of the male.
NECK: Moderately long and full, arched.
TAIL: Full, rather short, carried at an angle of 45 degrees above horizontal.
Main tail feathers -- broad and overlapping, shorter than average.
WINGS: Short, held close to the body, carriage nearly horizontal.
Primaries and secondaries -- broad and overlapping in natural order when wing is folded.
BREAST: Strong, broad, and full. Well rounded when viewed from both the front and side.
BODY AND FLUFF: Body -- deep, long and broad, especially through the shoulders which are carried high. Should be more rounded than the male.
Fluff -- medium in length.
LEGS AND TOES: Legs set well apart, straight when viewed from the front.
Lower Thighs -- strong and well feathered.
Shanks -- medium length, stout, and straight; lightly feathered down the outer sides.
Toes -- four long and well-separated toes on each foot. Outer toes lightly feathered, middle toes free from feathers..
PLUMAGE: Moderately tight and smooth textured.

 

[math ace]

Robnms,

Is there one particular item that one want to know about ?

 

[gilavina]

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MCCUSA stands for Marans Chicken Club USA. They are the club that has been working with the APA on the Black Coppers getting approved.

I've been to that site and noticed that the standards are different from http://maransofamericaclub.com/blackcoppermarans.php compared to http://www.maransusa.org/standards.html eye description and comb is the biggest difference I see and I've also noticed some that are tall and lean compared to short and stocky looking. APA needs to post a pic of what they consider the standard and put this "my chicken is better than your chicken" idea of the standard to rest. I can only guess that Bev Davis will provide the pic and that won't satisfy everyone with stock that breeds true.

I got confused a lot when I first got into the Marans and was researching. I guess the way I look at it that makes sense to me is that I will follow the standard of the club (MCCUSA) that is working with the APA since those standards will be the ones that I will have to follow if I want to show my birds. Thats just my perspective, hope it makes sense tho

 

[gilavina]

Math Ace,

how are things going with your incubator search? And how are the little ones you managed to save doing?

Also, how's the gardens going? I'm still in wait mode....we had snow yesterday....crazy!

 

[robnms]

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Thanks for posting that, I think what I was missing is the disqualifications on the eye color: Pearl or black eyes. How do you determine the number of points on a comb? Is there an absolute definition of a point compared to other small points?

 

[math ace]

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I think I am going to go with the one that a lot of you were recommending yesterday.

I lost a chick last night and one this morning. I wasn't expecting to lose the one this morning, so it was sadder than the rest that were not looking good from the beginning

I have 5 left now. It has been 2 FULL days since the chaos happened. . . . so hopefuly

I won't lose anymore. The whole thing was just so very sad! To lose everyone on Day 20 is just so sad. . .

GARDEN is rocking. I think I will be picking a few yellow squash tomorrow. SNOW - - - That sucks!

I found some unique winter squash seeds the other day. I am trying to get those in the ground . . . . but I don't have any place left to plant them!

 

[gilavina]

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I think I am going to go with the one that a lot of you were recommending yesterday.

I lost a chick last night and one this morning. I wasn't expecting to lose the one this morning, so it was sadder than the rest that were not looking good from the beginning

I have 5 left now. It has been 2 FULL days since the chaos happened. . . . so hopefuly

I won't lose anymore. The whole thing was just so very sad! To lose everyone on Day 20 is just so sad. . .

GARDEN is rocking. I think I will be picking a few yellow squash tomorrow. SNOW - - - That sucks!

I found some unique winter squash seeds the other day. I am trying to get those in the ground . . . . but I don't have any place left to plant them!

Awww....I was surprised when you said you had any that survived after I saw the pic you posted. It is sad to lose babies indeed...I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the wee ones will just keep getting healthier!

Wow....you are probably a couple months ahead of me on the garden! What kind of squash seeds did you find? I love hearing about new varieties of seeds!

Btw...I hope that things with your dad will go smoothly...I know how it is taking care of parents that are getting older. It can be heartbreaking at times.