Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!
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sprigs are also caused by carnation influence, yes? I have a young cockerel (purchased eggs) on my farm right now that has the random short points - short points between longer/regular points. I have been closely watching him, he just turned 10 weeks, and SURE ENOUGH I am now seeing a tiny nub of a sidesprig popping out.
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Could be. To me, what you are describing with the short points indicates a carnation carrier. So far here, either they have the carnation with no typical side sprigs. Now the one here that does have a big sprig on his comb, also had a fat comb with many points, which are also indicators for me. Got a pic??
Could be. To me, what you are describing with the short points indicates a carnation carrier. So far here, either they have the carnation with no typical side sprigs. Now the one here that does have a big sprig on his comb, also had a fat comb with many points, which are also indicators for me. Got a pic??
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I think that is it!
Yes. The Carnation operates on the same principle as side sprigs. It takes two genes to express it. I only have one roo here with sprigs, but I believe he would also carry the one gene for the Carnation comb, as he has the other indicators as well. That's just me, and what do I know?? All I do know is what I am seeing here in my backyard.
Debbi, where have you read that the Sprig and carnation work the same way. I can assure there is no connection between the two.
I think that is it!
Yes. The Carnation operates on the same principle as side sprigs. It takes two genes to express it. I only have one roo here with sprigs, but I believe he would also carry the one gene for the Carnation comb, as he has the other indicators as well. That's just me, and what do I know?? All I do know is what I am seeing here in my backyard.
Debbi, where have you read that the Sprig and carnation work the same way. I can assure there is no connection between the two.
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Wynette, All fowl in the USA are subject to have a side sprig, just something that we have to cull when we find. The sprig and carnation are in no way connected. The only indicator I have seen is the female with the blade part of the comb that is lopped to the side. I believe we are getting a lot of things involved that do not pertain to the Carnation >
Wynette, All fowl in the USA are subject to have a side sprig, just something that we have to cull when we find. The sprig and carnation are in no way connected. The only indicator I have seen is the female with the blade part of the comb that is lopped to the side. I believe we are getting a lot of things involved that do not pertain to the Carnation >
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Yes. The Carnation operates on the same principle as side sprigs. It takes two genes to express it. I only have one roo here with sprigs, but I believe he would also carry the one gene for the Carnation comb, as he has the other indicators as well. That's just me, and what do I know?? All I do know is what I am seeing here in my backyard.
Debbi, where have you read that the Sprig and carnation work the same way. I can assure there is no connection between the two.
According to VC in the link above, he states the sprig also takes two genes. I can't speak much for sprigs, I only have the one, thankfully, and have never hatched anything from that roo.
Yes. The Carnation operates on the same principle as side sprigs. It takes two genes to express it. I only have one roo here with sprigs, but I believe he would also carry the one gene for the Carnation comb, as he has the other indicators as well. That's just me, and what do I know?? All I do know is what I am seeing here in my backyard.
Debbi, where have you read that the Sprig and carnation work the same way. I can assure there is no connection between the two.
According to VC in the link above, he states the sprig also takes two genes. I can't speak much for sprigs, I only have the one, thankfully, and have never hatched anything from that roo.
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Wynette, All fowl in the USA are subject to have a side sprig, just something that we have to cull when we find. The sprig and carnation are in no way connected. The only indicator I have seen is the female with the blade part of the comb that is lopped to the side. I believe we are getting a lot of things involved that do not pertain to the Carnation >
As an outside observer to this conversation, here is what I am gathering....Sprigs are something that are going to show up ocassionally on any breed of chicken. They should be culled as you find them, but they are a part of "chickendom" and not something to try and breed out of your birds. Carnation combs - on the other hand - are something that we should try to breed out of our birds in an effort to produce a "clean" line of birds. If what I am percieving is correct, then why even cull a Roo with a side sprig? If you are going to use him for breeding then most of his offspring should not produce side sprigs. Such a Roo would not be used for show...Am I even close to understanding what's going on here?
Wynette, All fowl in the USA are subject to have a side sprig, just something that we have to cull when we find. The sprig and carnation are in no way connected. The only indicator I have seen is the female with the blade part of the comb that is lopped to the side. I believe we are getting a lot of things involved that do not pertain to the Carnation >
As an outside observer to this conversation, here is what I am gathering....Sprigs are something that are going to show up ocassionally on any breed of chicken. They should be culled as you find them, but they are a part of "chickendom" and not something to try and breed out of your birds. Carnation combs - on the other hand - are something that we should try to breed out of our birds in an effort to produce a "clean" line of birds. If what I am percieving is correct, then why even cull a Roo with a side sprig? If you are going to use him for breeding then most of his offspring should not produce side sprigs. Such a Roo would not be used for show...Am I even close to understanding what's going on here?
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Wynette, All fowl in the USA are subject to have a side sprig, just something that we have to cull when we find. The sprig and carnation are in no way connected. The only indicator I have seen is the female with the blade part of the comb that is lopped to the side. I believe we are getting a lot of things involved that do not pertain to the Carnation >
As an outside observer to this conversation, here is what I am gathering....Sprigs are something that are going to show up ocassionally on any breed of chicken. They should be culled as you find them, but they are a part of "chickendom" and not something to try and breed out of your birds. Carnation combs - on the other hand - are something that we should try to breed out of our birds in an effort to produce a "clean" line of birds. If what I am percieving is correct, then why even cull a Roo with a side sprig? If you are going to use him for breeding then most of his offspring should not produce side sprigs. Such a Roo would not be used for show...Am I even close to understanding what's going on here?
Hi Mel, If you breed the Male with sprig you will get a higher amount of sprigs in next hatch. The sprig has been around for ever and most all the old SOP have a picture so it has been around a while.
The Carnation comb on the Marans was introduced by way of the Penne. and is in no way connected to the sprig.
Wynette, All fowl in the USA are subject to have a side sprig, just something that we have to cull when we find. The sprig and carnation are in no way connected. The only indicator I have seen is the female with the blade part of the comb that is lopped to the side. I believe we are getting a lot of things involved that do not pertain to the Carnation >
As an outside observer to this conversation, here is what I am gathering....Sprigs are something that are going to show up ocassionally on any breed of chicken. They should be culled as you find them, but they are a part of "chickendom" and not something to try and breed out of your birds. Carnation combs - on the other hand - are something that we should try to breed out of our birds in an effort to produce a "clean" line of birds. If what I am percieving is correct, then why even cull a Roo with a side sprig? If you are going to use him for breeding then most of his offspring should not produce side sprigs. Such a Roo would not be used for show...Am I even close to understanding what's going on here?
Hi Mel, If you breed the Male with sprig you will get a higher amount of sprigs in next hatch. The sprig has been around for ever and most all the old SOP have a picture so it has been around a while.
The Carnation comb on the Marans was introduced by way of the Penne. and is in no way connected to the sprig.
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Debbi, where have you read that the Sprig and carnation work the same way. I can assure there is no connection between the two.
According to VC in the link above, he states the sprig also takes two genes. I can't speak much for sprigs, I only have the one, thankfully, and have never hatched anything from that roo.
Debbi, it is a well known fact that the sprig takes a double dose of genes. The only way anyone will ever know anything about the Marans and the Carnation Comb is for someone to do a study.
Will extricate myself from this topic.
Debbi, where have you read that the Sprig and carnation work the same way. I can assure there is no connection between the two.
According to VC in the link above, he states the sprig also takes two genes. I can't speak much for sprigs, I only have the one, thankfully, and have never hatched anything from that roo.
Debbi, it is a well known fact that the sprig takes a double dose of genes. The only way anyone will ever know anything about the Marans and the Carnation Comb is for someone to do a study.
Will extricate myself from this topic.
Dang, I have missed the serious debates over chicken stuff!
The tempers and emotions get high and rough sometimes, BUT this is where some serious DISCOVERY and LEARNING can occur!
Everybody brings what they are seeing in their own backyard to the table, it gets disected, analyzed, and digested.
Before you know, we have all consumed a full belly of information!
LOVE that we are working so hard to better the breed, NOT trying to hide our problems or pass them over!
LOVE that we are so willing to share our experiences and references with each other.
I just LOVE it when this thread gets busy about the business of making good marans!
Now DON'T No ONE go home ANGRY today! At the end of the day, we all still LOVE each other and the breed itself!
GROUP HUG
for my chicken buddies - - Pink, Debbi, and Don...
The tempers and emotions get high and rough sometimes, BUT this is where some serious DISCOVERY and LEARNING can occur!
Everybody brings what they are seeing in their own backyard to the table, it gets disected, analyzed, and digested.
Before you know, we have all consumed a full belly of information!
LOVE that we are working so hard to better the breed, NOT trying to hide our problems or pass them over!
LOVE that we are so willing to share our experiences and references with each other.
GROUP HUG
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