Mareks experience needed. prelim results pg 9

[kelar]

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You also need to consider a genetic thing, since they are related....could just be a defect, did you inspect for a slipped tendon?

I have not. I looked for injury in the one with a dead limb, but I didn't find anything and she doesn't even want to grip my finger. With her I thought it was an injury, because she could fly like a bird and it's possible she flew and got caught somewhere. But when the other started having issues I started asking more questions. I hope and pray it isn't Mareks...but I'm not getting my hopes up either. Their broodermate (from the same breeder that is) died of cocci last night, so I'm wondering if these birds just have poor immune systems since my other birds have not had a problem.

What would a slipped tendon look like? This girl's walking problems never included limping, it was more like her legs slowly folded underneath her until now she's walking but her belly almost touches the ground.

You can feel and usually see a slipped tendon. The tendon runs down the back of the leg and should be in the groove at the hock. It's a big tendon so if it's moved to the side of the hock it's fairly obvious. However, I'm concerned about your statement that a 4 month old is dying from cocci. Cocci can also cause weakness and make a bird "go down." This has nothing to do with genetics - the protozoa just overwhelm their systems and cause a great deal of internal damage. If you have not already, it would certainly be a good idea to treat them first with a run of Corid and then followed up with one of the Sulfas like sulfadimethoxine or sulmet.

 

[nizar]

Is it Marek's disease please help.

 

[hokankai]

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I have not. I looked for injury in the one with a dead limb, but I didn't find anything and she doesn't even want to grip my finger. With her I thought it was an injury, because she could fly like a bird and it's possible she flew and got caught somewhere. But when the other started having issues I started asking more questions. I hope and pray it isn't Mareks...but I'm not getting my hopes up either. Their broodermate (from the same breeder that is) died of cocci last night, so I'm wondering if these birds just have poor immune systems since my other birds have not had a problem.

What would a slipped tendon look like? This girl's walking problems never included limping, it was more like her legs slowly folded underneath her until now she's walking but her belly almost touches the ground.

You can feel and usually see a slipped tendon. The tendon runs down the back of the leg and should be in the groove at the hock. It's a big tendon so if it's moved to the side of the hock it's fairly obvious. However, I'm concerned about your statement that a 4 month old is dying from cocci. Cocci can also cause weakness and make a bird "go down." This has nothing to do with genetics - the protozoa just overwhelm their systems and cause a great deal of internal damage. If you have not already, it would certainly be a good idea to treat them first with a run of Corid and then followed up with one of the Sulfas like sulfadimethoxine or sulmet.

The were treated with Sulmet, which is what the feed store gave my mother (I'm at college right now) and she treated everyone with that. However, it didn't work, and the lame girl developed bloody diarrhea right after the course of Sulmet ended. I sent my family to Wilco within an hour of finding out she had bloody stool and they started everyone on Corid that night. I haven't gotten an update on her yet.

I'm hoping that's what it was, or at least that's what made her walking worse. For some reason these birds I got just have terrible immune systems or something. The ones I hatched and the ones my hen raised are perfectly fine!

 

[kelar]

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Nizar - this is not the classic Marek's pose. It looks like this bird is down on her left hock and this is much more typical of a slipped tendon. Have you checked to see if the tendon is in the groove at the back of the hock? What breed is she?

 

[nizar]

now she is walking on both hocks , I think standing right hurt her , I have another one have the same thing. she is mixed breed.

 

[seminolewind]

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I have not. I looked for injury in the one with a dead limb, but I didn't find anything and she doesn't even want to grip my finger. With her I thought it was an injury, because she could fly like a bird and it's possible she flew and got caught somewhere. But when the other started having issues I started asking more questions. I hope and pray it isn't Mareks...but I'm not getting my hopes up either. Their broodermate (from the same breeder that is) died of cocci last night, so I'm wondering if these birds just have poor immune systems since my other birds have not had a problem.

What would a slipped tendon look like? This girl's walking problems never included limping, it was more like her legs slowly folded underneath her until now she's walking but her belly almost touches the ground.

You can feel and usually see a slipped tendon. The tendon runs down the back of the leg and should be in the groove at the hock. It's a big tendon so if it's moved to the side of the hock it's fairly obvious. However, I'm concerned about your statement that a 4 month old is dying from cocci. Cocci can also cause weakness and make a bird "go down." This has nothing to do with genetics - the protozoa just overwhelm their systems and cause a great deal of internal damage. If you have not already, it would certainly be a good idea to treat them first with a run of Corid and then followed up with one of the Sulfas like sulfadimethoxine or sulmet.

I agree. That's the first thing I do with a sick chicken. It's the most common thing they will get.

 

[seminolewind]

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I thought all exposed birds were carriers, not just recovered ones, if they can recover.

My roo, a few weeks ago was separated from the girls to give them a break. I thought he was wasting, bright green poo and all. But it seems now, he's back with the girls since his poo got normal again, and I wonder if he fought Marek's and won, or he was soooo upset that he didn't eat!

This roo had his other 2 hatchmates die from wasting/Marek's.

Another roo I have actually cried all day when I separated him from his girls. It actually brought tears to my eyes, I gave him some girls.

 

[seminolewind]

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You can feel and usually see a slipped tendon. The tendon runs down the back of the leg and should be in the groove at the hock. It's a big tendon so if it's moved to the side of the hock it's fairly obvious. However, I'm concerned about your statement that a 4 month old is dying from cocci. Cocci can also cause weakness and make a bird "go down." This has nothing to do with genetics - the protozoa just overwhelm their systems and cause a great deal of internal damage. If you have not already, it would certainly be a good idea to treat them first with a run of Corid and then followed up with one of the Sulfas like sulfadimethoxine or sulmet.

The were treated with Sulmet, which is what the feed store gave my mother (I'm at college right now) and she treated everyone with that. However, it didn't work, and the lame girl developed bloody diarrhea right after the course of Sulmet ended. I sent my family to Wilco within an hour of finding out she had bloody stool and they started everyone on Corid that night. I haven't gotten an update on her yet.

I'm hoping that's what it was, or at least that's what made her walking worse. For some reason these birds I got just have terrible immune systems or something. The ones I hatched and the ones my hen raised are perfectly fine!

How old are they?
How long between the first and the second getting the symptoms?
How many came from the feed store?
Do any have bright green poo?
They didn't do this before, meaning they didn't come this way?
Have you had any death at all in the past with your original flock?

I hope it's genetics, or immune system or a slipped tendon.. But 2 with walking problems makes me wonder. Kelar's right with the classic pose being one leg forward and one leg back. But in the 12 I lost since June, some wasted away, some had paralysis, and didn't show one leg forward, 2 did show one leg forward as the paralysis spread.

From mine that have died within the last 2 years, Half had been treated for coccidiosis at some point in their past.

 

[FrenchToast]

Could this possibly be a vitamin or mineral deficientcy of some sort ? To start I with I would give poly vi sol without iron. Then read up on vitamins etc.

Good Luck and keep us posted.

Sorry to hear about all the loses from Markeks.

 

[nizar]

French you think that my chickies gonna recover if I feed them multivitamins.