May trade for a new horse thoughts please?

[welsummerchicks]

No, he didn't say that all was for that horse. She can ask what he gets fed.

I am beginning to fear that this bulletin board is out to make sure this girl never gets a horse. JUUUST kidding....sorta....

And 'hard keepers' that look like they should be easy keepers based on breed and conformation, they generally respond amazingly well to one visit from the tooth dentist and some wormer, ymmv, of course.

(wc, who has an amazing talent for making ANY horse get too fat)

 

[Hound]

I think it's more a case of erring on the side of caution. It's better to be too cautious than too optimistic about something as expensive and potentially dangerous as a horse, particularly when sellers frequently are dishonest/misinformed and the buyer is a novice.

 

[welsummerchicks]

Yes, and not all sellers are dishonest, and not all horses are bad, and not all ads are for bad horses.

That ranch is not exactly in the business of ripping people off for thousands. They're selling horses at a price that pays for the gas money it took to go get them, basically.

There are good horses out there, and lots of people giving them up because they lost their jobs and can't get any work.

I see no reason to be so against a horse based on trying that hard to find something wrong without even putting a hand on the animal.

I'd at least go LOOK at the thing and sit on it before I was so sure it was such a bad deal. Aside from that, it's one of the few places that has more than one horse available - if that one turns out to not be suitable there may be some others there to look at.

 

[Kansaseq]

I'd be out there giving him a try, if I lived closer. He's NICE. I say go for it!

 

[Cetawin]

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This is true as it is with stallion as well. It is usually a sign of drugging if other elements are absent such as a mare in season near or just being bathed and sheath cleaned etc. With a gelding. You want to be able to check his sheath area to look for any problems at 14, he should.not mind you touching that area much. Looks like an Arabian cross with that head

 

[Hound]

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Not so sure I was. Just gave the OP some things to look into, playing the devil's advocate as I said.

 

[babyblue]

though also keep in mind not all geldings or stallions will drop when drugged up. my old gelding is absurdly embarrassed about people seeing his stuff apparently and tries to keep it up best as he can. cleaning his sheath is not easy or fun.

 

[arabianequine]

I got another email....I think they are charging that price cause that is what they had to pay to get the horse out of the feedlot out of Yakima not far from me.

I could have got him from there with no contract probably. I remember seeing him and the price was about the same between $500-$700 I think. This place rescued him and now on the coast.

This is the email I got today....I said I wanted to see the contract and really important to know his weight which I did not get. I did get one pic of his legs.

I've included a copy of the adoption contract and a photo of Joe's legs. By 'responsive' I am referring to how he responds to reining etc. He turns instantly, backs and stops instantly, very sensitive, well-trained horse. I've only had him 4 weeks. He is a rescue from the Zillah feedlot. I will only let him go to a very good, forever home situation as he has been through too much trauma in his life and was nearly slaughtered. Site check is mandatory, veterinary references also required which means I talk with the prospective buyers veterinarian(s) and a signed and notarized adoption contract also mandatory.

Equine Adoption Contract


CURRENT OWNER/SELLER’S NAME:____________________________________________________________________
ADDRESS _________________________________________________________________________________
CITY ___________________________________________STATE____________ZIP CODE__________________ PHONE___________________________________________
EMAIL____________________________________________________

BREED ___________________________________________________________SEX_________AGE____________
NAME _______________________________________________________________Date of birth_________________________
COLOR _________________________________________________________
DISTINGUISHING MARKS _____________________________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
MEDICAL HISTORY/NOTES
______________________________________________________________________________________________
I, ________________________________________, hereafter referred to as the adopter, hereby agree that the above described animal is being adopted by me solely as a pet for myself and/or my immediate family. I agree that I will not breed, sell, lease, loan, give away or otherwise dispose of said animal to any person(s), dealer, retailer, auction, slaughterhouse, kill buyer, institute or any other entity for any reason. If at a later date I am unable or unwilling to keep this animal I agree to first contact the seller, Phantom Meadow Equine and give them the option to reclaim said pet. Phantom Meadow Equine will always have 1st right to reclaim the animal. No guarantee is made that the adoption fee will be refunded and in most cases will be forfeited. Adopter and seller are bound by Agreements that require the location and care of the animal be easily confirmed.

I, the adopter hereby agree to care for the above described pet in a humane and responsible manner and to provide it with clean and
adequate shelter, food, water and veterinary care. Adoptive homes must be clean and free of debris or damaged fencing that
could cause injury. I further agree that said pet shall reside at my home or at a suitable boarding facility. Phantom Meadow Equine
reserves the right to inspect the shelter the horse will be transported to and to request references regarding to prior pet ownership from a potential adopter. Phantom Meadow Equine also requests periodic updates on the well being of the animal. If upon following up on the care of the animal it is found that it is not being cared for, being inadequate feed or water, shelter or proper medical care Phantom Meadow Equine has the right to remove the animal with the adoption fee being forfeited.

I hereby agree that the adoption fee of $ _______________________ helps to cover the applicable expenses of purchasing, transporting, feeding, veterinary care and professional training (if any) for the animal while at the sellers facility. I hereby understand and agree that Phantom Meadow Equine makes no guarantee’s, expressed or implied about the above mentioned animal's temperament and is hereby absolved from any liability for future damages or injuries caused by said animal. I also understand and agree that Phantom Meadow Equine further gives no guarantees, expressed or implied, of the suitability of the animal to the adopter and/or his family or as to the soundness, health or usability of the adopted animal.

All information provided by Phantom Meadow Equine is information received at the time the animal was accepted by Phantom Meadow Equine and is correct to Phantom Meadow Equine's knowledge. Any additional information on the animal’s health, soundness and temperament while at Phantom Meadow Equine will be relayed to the Adopter.

ADOPTER'S NAME _______________________________________________________________________________________
ADDRESS_____________________________________________________________EMAIL____________________________
CITY ______________________________________________ ZIP CODE ____________ PHONE _______________________

I certify that all statements made by me on this adoption agreement are true and correct. I agree to the terms of this contract and that Phantom Meadow Equine has the right to confiscate the above described animal in the event that any statements made by me are found to be false and/or I break any of the conditions stated in this agreement. I agree that I am responsible for any legal fees pertaining to this adoption or the re-acquirement of this animal by the seller if I am found to have breached this contract. In any case all adoptions fees or other fees I have paid will be forfeited.

_________________________________________________________________ DATE: ____________________________
ADOPTER’S SIGNATURE
_________________________________________________________________ DATE: ____________________________
WITNESS SIGNATURE

This is the horses description off the website......

Joe' was rescued off of a feedlot where he was awaiting shipment to slaughter. He is tall - approx 15.3hh, 15 y/o last May. He had his shoes removed and feet trimmed soon after his rescue and was wormed. He has wonderful ground manners when haltered and handled, perfect with the farrier and tolerated all the fiddling around including messing with his tail. No issues at all when handling. Easy to catch, very respectful even when I'm walking around him with food - not pushy at all. A bit of a grump but has made no offer to kick or bite, just not the loviest horse on earth. I've only ridden him a few times but he was very responsive and eager to go!! Rode him bareback and he stood perfectly still every time I tried getting on him. (took a few tries!!) Easy horse to ride since he is so willing and up for adventure. Prior to his rescue he was saddled and test ridden. He flagged quiet and did not make any issue about being flagged. He walked, trotted and cantered nicely. He was happy to be ridden and seemed to enjoy himself. Neck reins, and is responsive to leg but could use some fine tuning. Sound, sane, larger framed and ready to go down the trail. SUPER legs and great feet. Loads perfect - goes right in. He'd make an excellent pleasure or trail horse that you don't have to push to load or walk down the trail. Has a scar on his right hind leg but no trace lameness. The farrier was very impressed with him and says he is worth more far more than I am asking. I agree with him as he is well-trained, a perfect experienced age and has those awesome thick-boned, strong legs. His adoption fee is his feedlot price plus the cost of gas to transport him here. Includes his papers. $700

 

[welsummerchicks]

Good looking legs and feet. Nice in a 15 year old - no visual evidence of hard use. No splints, bumps, lumps.

I really don't know if you will do better price wise vs feature wise. This one is a lot better than all the other ones you have pictured here. I'd say the best part of it is the 'well trained' part and the age.

The info they sent is the same info they had on their website, which is a good sign too.

I also like the 'no baloney' style. The write up is sensible and fair, as are all of them on all the horses.

I'm a little jaded from the 'just a little bit of a neurological problem and only one broken leg, just broken a wee bit, with a month rest, will be your next Grand Prix show jumper!!!!!!!!' descriptions, as you can guess.

 

[dutchhollow]

Go out and see him and ride him, the outfit sounds and seems OK. You will only know if you meet the horse. I have been kind of following this thread. I get that you are a novice rider, and the terms 'sensative' and 'responsive' jump out at me. To me these are horses that move from pressure or direction immediatly and quickly. A novice rider sometimes in trying to keep balance gives wrong ques to horses like this and it makes the horse appear to be 'jumpy' or nervous. So, go ride him and make sure he is a good fit for you. If he is as advertised, seems like a great buy.