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[Mom 2em All]

First time at vegas, we walked in to New York New York...and they have some kind of code that lets them know its your very first time, so they need to get you good and hooked, lol..
I put a dollar in the dollar slot and won $100.00
WHOOOO HOOOO!

I didnt put in another dollar. I left. lol. Took the money and ran. Right into the next casino...where I promptly lost my hundred dollars in the quarter slots within minutes.

THat cured me.

I cant play cards. I dont seem capable of learning how. My husband has tried to show me, but some reason I cant do it.
I can play Old Maid and Uno, though. hahahahaha


When I had jury duty on my birthday a couple years ago- I was already downtown, and decided I would spend twenty dollars at the casino. NO more, no less. happy birthday to me.

It took me ten minutes to lose my twenty.
Wasnt even fun. I was very upset. The waitress didnt even come up to me yet. Birthday OVER.

 

[Olive Hill]

So what I am getting out of this is not all farmers do this, but there are the ones out there that do. Either because of demand, or for the greater profit- turn it out faster, bigger, etc get money quicker/easier/ etc.

So, yes, I agree that not all farmers or farms do what I said. But some do. That it may no longer be the norm, but it still occurs. Just not at the level that I indicated. So I was wrong, but I was also right.

Kind of. Bad things happen, but it's not a matter of "farmers do this". No one is purposely farming in such a way that kills high numbers of animals, no one is purposely farming in such a way that abuses the animals, etc. There are bad people in every industry. There are preachers who prey on their congregation, there are doctors who ignore their patients symptoms and blow them off, there are car salesmen who sell lemons, there are lenders who demand astronomical interest rates, there are teachers who berate special needs children, here are farmers who don't manage their farms properly and there are farm hands who are careless and violent. That in no way makes it something "farmers do" in general or on purpose.

It's not a matter of it ever having been a norm. It's not like a decade ago it was okay, but in 2008 we suddenly realized we shouldn't be sodomizing swine with lumber because some animal rights group said it wasn't okay anymore. No one is doing disgusting things because they need the job, people are doing disgusting things because they're sadistic and/or have no backbone. It's the case in every industry on the planet. And in the case of animals it's not limited to agriculture. There are people on BYC I would NEVER buy animals from just from seeing pictures of their setup and stock. There are instances on this thread where the welfare of animals have been ignored to feed the emotional needs of the owners. There are bad people -- and good people who make poor choices -- everywhere and dealing with that is something that we have had to deal with for... well, ever. It's nothing new.

The only thing that has significantly changed inside ag with increased consumer awareness is that farmers are now having to more actively learn to communicate with consumers. Remember, this is something that is unprecedented in agriculture. Never before has communication of this caliber been expected or desired. It's all new and farmers are having to not just learn the ropes, but define them.

 

[RaZ]

It wasn't a slot machine, Vegas or a casino but I just lost $150 at one fell swoop to a machine....

The freaking gas pump!

 

[Olive Hill]

First time at vegas, we walked in to New York New York...and they have some kind of code that lets them know its your very first time, so they need to get you good and hooked, lol..

Hhaha. Our hotel must not have had that feature because it ate our quarter with not so much as a thank you. LOL!

It wasn't a slot machine, Vegas or a casino but I just lost $150 at one fell swoop to a machine....

The freaking gas pump!

I'm telling you, geese! It'll save you at least the $10 of that you're going to use for the lawn mower. Haha.

 

[Mom 2em All]

Kind of. Bad things happen, but it's not a matter of "farmers do this". No one is purposely farming in such a way that kills high numbers of animals, no one is purposely farming in such a way that abuses the animals, etc. There are bad people in every industry. There are preachers who prey on their congregation, there are doctors who ignore their patients symptoms and blow them off, there are car salesmen who sell lemons, there are lenders who demand astronomical interest rates, there are teachers who berate special needs children, here are farmers who don't manage their farms properly and there are farm hands who are careless and violent. That in no way makes it something "farmers do" in general or on purpose.

It's not a matter of it ever having been a norm. It's not like a decade ago it was okay, but in 2008 we suddenly realized we shouldn't be sodomizing swine with lumber because some animal rights group said it wasn't okay anymore. No one is doing disgusting things because they need the job, people are doing disgusting things because they're sadistic and/or have no backbone. It's the case in every industry on the planet. And in the case of animals it's not limited to agriculture. There are people on BYC I would NEVER buy animals from just from seeing pictures of their setup and stock. There are instances on this thread where the welfare of animals have been ignored to feed the emotional needs of the owners. There are bad people -- and good people who make poor choices -- everywhere and dealing with that is something that we have had to deal with for... well, ever. It's nothing new.

The only thing that has significantly changed inside ag with increased consumer awareness is that farmers are now having to more actively learn to communicate with consumers. Remember, this is something that is unprecedented in agriculture. Never before has communication of this caliber been expected or desired. It's all new and farmers are having to not just learn the ropes, but define them.

I get what you are saying, and generalized statements are usually always wrong. In my industry, its the same as saying, "Vets just want to take your money." Its one reason why I dont post on the 'other pets' thread here on BYC- or whatever that thread is called. Because it really was rough to hear people pouring out the 'advice' on what to do for the sick, the hurt, the pregnant, the ones that needed medical attention besides telling them to get it to the vet for the care it needed. Its one of the reasons why being a nutritional counselor is so hard. Because the minute I take the time to type out and/or spend an hour explaining WHY this food that has been formulated to meet your animals needs, with the research and studies behind it to back it, is best for your dog...someone comes along and says, "oh no that has too much corn in it. Feed Rachel Ray- she is a cook on teevee, she makes the best dog food for your dog".

And to your second paragraph, I can only say "AMEN TO THAT". I could not agree more with every word you typed that I made bold. In every industry, every nook and cranny in the world.

 

[NovaAman]

I was just listening to the NPR/BBC this morning, and they are talking about eliminating the use of antibiotics in low doses as a preventative on commercial farms because it is causing resisitant strains of bacteria. They admitted that there would be loses initially, however, with time, smaller flock/herd/whatever it is for pigs, more space per animal, that a lot of the resistant strains would eventually die out, and antibiotics could then go for the uses they should be for. Treatment and not prevention. This report also talked about the farmers who did have over-crowding in their pens being some of the biggest users of such antibiotics for profit. Personally, I prefer to buy meat that says it is antibiotic and hormone free. I know I am paying more for said meat, since those farmers profit margins would not compare to the crap farmers profit margin. It could be a lie on the label for all I know... I'd like to raise my own cow/pig.. BUT I do not have the space, or friends with the facilities to do such. If I did, I would be doing that. I understand that some conditions are not right. I understand that some conditions are ok, and some conditions are nice. I also understand that PETA has one of the highest euthenizing (sp) rates. SO, I do not trust anything that comes from PETA. They have an agenda as well. I also think, if more responsible citizen were able to raise a cow, pig, goats, sheep, chickens, rabbit.... for food... there would be less crap going around in the human population. Over half the meat tested in grocery markets test positive for staph... That being said, throughly cookiing meat/eggs will eliminate that. Me however, I like a steak medium... I like my eggs over easy... I like my fish COOKED. But I guess the odd ball rambling of my paragraph is, buy from responsible producers/markets. Grow your own... and don't knock it if you haven't walked in the shoes. I let my birds free range. I get the s**ts and giggles when I see them chase the squirrels off. The only other chickens they come in to contact with is Carls, and I figure, if Carls get it, mine will, and vice versa. BUT, we do not sell our live birds. We sell our eggs... I will do what is best for my birds when and if the time comes. I have not had any issues. Even when I had the sneezes with Buffy and then with Roger, I didn't do anything. They didn't have runny noses or swollen eyes. In the end, I chalked it up to the new feed I got them. It was fine like dust. Well anyway...

Mom... That first purple chick... it looks quite put out that you colored it. LOL. SOOO CUTE though.

 

[NovaAman]

I tried that Rachel Ray crap just because I got a coupon. My dogs woudn't touch it.

 

[RaZ]

I'm telling you, geese! It'll save you at least the $10 of that you're going to use for the lawn mower. Haha.

I'm sure that would go over well with Crabby next door. I'll have to tell you all how she has been behaving today.

I just needed a 5 gallon can of gas but decided to fill 1 tank on the truck.

 

[NovaAman]

TELL TELL!

 

[taprock]

Hey Olive, you said your young chickens are outside right? I just wondered if there is any problem with transitioning them from indoors to outdoors in just one day like I'm planning to do today. Will it be too much of a shock to go from spending the nights in my house to sleeping in the coop where it's like 25 degrees colder outside? I just wondered if there's anything different I should do. I'm terrified I'll wake up and my chickens will be frozen nuggets in the morning!

Mine are moving out tonight also. I have been waiting for a few nights that will be above freezing to give them a chance to adjust even through they are fully feathered.

We've got ear opening and more fur. Can't believe this thing is still alive...

The bunny is adorable, so glad it's still alive.

Nova - so with you on the PETA, my DH can't stand some of their politics but beyond that ever since I read this one http://www.theatlanticwire.com/busi...-laughing-new-york-timess-sexy-chicken/43087/


In life with people, businesses and farmers ... pretty much everything I find there are three categories. Good, Bad and Uneducated. I try to learn from the good, avoid the bad and help those who have no clue see the value in learning. I lump those who don't want to learn in with the bad. I am a bit over the top when it comes to responsibility. They are my birds and the buck stops with me. If I screw up, their lives/deaths are on me and while saying "I didn't know" may be the truth, if I am going to take on animals it is my responsibility TO KNOW to the best of my ability - even if their aren't any EASY answers. But then when in life are there?