Millefleur and Lavendar silkie project Advice please

[catwalk]

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I got this hen, not too prone to laying eggs, that seems to be closer to porcelain than isabel. Nobody can name the pattern on her primaries, but it would be fun to work with for the OP's project.

 

[Krys109uk]

How old is she? Looks a bit like autosomal barring. However in young birds, juvenile plumage of birds with the pattern gene (which gives the partridge & grey their markings) can look like autosomal barring.
I'm not good at recognising patterns in silkies but I expect Suze (Sonoran Silkies) will be able to tell you.

BTW Do you mean her actual primaries or her wings in general?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Do you have a pic of isabel as Vs porcelian. I am new at this and I would love to see a comparison because I am greatly interested in porcelian.

Well, I thought I had posted an answer, but apparently it didn;t post and my computer ate it

Feathersite has photos of porcelain and mille fleur d'uccles.

You can bring in mottled from cochins, but you are missing part of the mille fleur pattern. A better bet is crossing to a d'uccle or oegb with proper mille fleur or porcelain colour & pattern. It will take at least two generations as both mottle and lavender are recessive genes. Best bet is to cross at least two silkies (probably buff, not sure if clear is better than one showing black in wings or tail) with mille fleur or porcelain oegb or d'uccle, then breed the chicks from different matings together. I think if I do this I would use at least two silkie hens with as good type as possible and two porcelain cocks. That way you are bringing in both recessive genes at once. Not all your offspring will inherit both, but a portion will.

Seems like there was something lse I was going to add, but I forget. I have a lot on my plate, so I'm not sure how often I will be able to get back to this thread the next few days.

 

[catwalk]

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In most birds, porcelain is mille fleur diluted with two copies of the lavender gene. Lavender dilutes black to a light blue/grey, and it also dilutes buff to a straw color. Porcelain Duccles are the most common examples of this.

Since Silkies don't show patterns well, the definition has been modified for them. A clear buff, with no black, will dilute to a clear isabel with the lavender gene. You won't see any lavender coloring because there wasn't any black to begin with. Sonoran Silkies' avatar is an example of this. A buff with black will dilute to what we call porcelain in Silkies. I understand that George Mihalik strives for equality in the lavender and isabel coloring in his porcelains.

I can't post any pics without pirating them from others, but feathersite has good pics of porcelain Duccles, and the Classroom at The Coop has a forum about isabel in Silkies. And of course, there's Phyllis (previous post) whose color/pattern is as yet undefined.

 

[catwalk]

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IDK her age. Bev219

gave her to me in May because she had owned her for over a year, with no eggs. Bev got her from someone who had shown her. So she's at least two or three. She's got barring all over, here and there, and her chest is a speckled red. Yes, I meant her entire wing. The wing itself looks barred, but the individual feathers are striped the long way.

 

[Krys109uk]

You can bring in mottled from cochins, but you are missing part of the mille fleur pattern.

Which genes were you thinkng of? If crossing mottled to red, all the necessary genes are present. It gives, for the most part F1s which look like melanised red columbian. Gets to some random marked mille fleur in F2.

 

[Coopa Cabana]

If you want to try something new in Silkies, I would love to see some Columbian Silkies (white and buff).

With the Silkie feathering, I just don't think Mille Fleur would look very good. I think the chevrons would be hard to see.

 

[Krys109uk]

If you want to try something new in Silkies, I would love to see some Columbian Silkies (white and buff).

For buff columbian (assuming expected genes for colour) try buff to black (carrying gold rather than silver)& breed the offspring, select for buff columbian with tidy markings.

Better still also do the reciprocal cross & put males from one pen with the females of the other & vice versa.​

 

[Coopa Cabana]

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For the genetically challenged, could you elaborate a little on this. I'm assuming you meant buff silkie to black silkie. (No cochin in the mix!) Does it matter whether the buff is the hen or the roo? And then do you just hope to see some Columbian markings? Or do you actually have to start with a Columbian Cochin to get the Columbian gene, and then try to breed back out all Cochin type except for the color? Do silkies carry a recessive Columbian gene?

 

[poultryinmotion]

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In most birds, porcelain is mille fleur diluted with two copies of the lavender gene. Lavender dilutes black to a light blue/grey, and it also dilutes buff to a straw color. Porcelain Duccles are the most common examples of this.

Since Silkies don't show patterns well, the definition has been modified for them. A clear buff, with no black, will dilute to a clear isabel with the lavender gene. You won't see any lavender coloring because there wasn't any black to begin with. Sonoran Silkies' avatar is an example of this. A buff with black will dilute to what we call porcelain in Silkies. I understand that George Mihalik strives for equality in the lavender and isabel coloring in his porcelains.

I can't post any pics without pirating them from others, but feathersite has good pics of porcelain Duccles, and the Classroom at The Coop has a forum about isabel in Silkies. And of course, there's Phyllis (previous post) whose color/pattern is as yet undefined.

Thanks catwalk I will check them out. You people are great!