Mucus and white lesions in mouth, please help

[Wyorp Rock]

Thank you @Wyorp Rock

Unfortunately after the 6 day treatment of tylosin, he is no better.

He did his love dance to one of his wives this morning and he is eating as normal so he is feeling ok in himself.

It’s just that his eyes still look bad and it looks like there is a bit of white in his mouth again. I wonder if this means the canker has returned and it’s not mycoplasma?

I do see the white inside his beak as @aart pointed out in her post. The comb looks like it's a bit powdery too?
I would look inside that ear again - I know you have struggled with that a bit as well.

Canker can come back over and over, so that could be what's going on. The comb, I'm thinking it might be the beginning of Favus which is a fungal infection, so would like to see what the others think too.
What's inside his beak could be Canker (protozoa), yeast, fungal or infection from...? Is there any way you can get some swabs tested to find out more. I know you have medications on hand, but which one to use would be the question.

 

[josie1]

Thank you @aart and @Wyorp Rock for taking the time to look at my photos.

I agree, it’s time for the vet as I’m at a loss at what to do now.

I’ve finally persuaded my farmer husband (he thinks I’m crazy) to let me take him to the vet so I’ve got an appointment at 3pm today. I’ll update you later on what the vet says.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Thank you @aart and @Wyorp Rock for taking the time to look at my photos.

I agree, it’s time for the vet as I’m at a loss at what to do now.

I’ve finally persuaded my farmer husband (he thinks I’m crazy) to let me take him to the vet so I’ve got an appointment at 3pm today. I’ll update you later on what the vet says.

I'm glad you will be able to see the vet. I hope they are able to get him on the right track. Please let us know what you find out.

 

[josie1]

I'm glad you will be able to see the vet. I hope they are able to get him on the right track. Please let us know what you find out.

He was great at the vet, so calm and let her do all her stuff with him. His temp was fine but she noted the white in his mouth and the swelling under his eyes. His eyes had bubbles so she was able to see that symptom.

She agreed with you that it looks like mycoplasma and to try with Tylan again.

She thinks that perhaps because he is free range he may have got access to other sources of water and didn’t drink all that he needed to.

I just thought he’d had enough as his routine was to have a good drink of the antibiotic first thing out of the coop, spend the morning in the barn (where there is no water) and return to the garden in the afternoon and I would give him the antibiotic water to drink again then. Even if he had had water from elsewhere, I thought that what he’d had should have shown some form of improvement in his symptoms.

But I’ve got Tylan again, this time to give for 7 days and he and the rest of the flock have to be netted up so it’s the only thing they drink. He’s not going to be happy, but he’s just got to get through 1 week of no free ranging. The vet said he should show signs of improvement by day 5 but if after 7 days there is none, she wants him to see an exotic vet who specialises in birds. He’s at a different practice but not too far away, about 20 minutes, so it’s not a big deal if I have to take him there.

The sad thing that the vet did pick up on though is he has a heart murmur. She said it can be common in old roosters. She said it is not affecting him at the moment as his comb is still red and is breathing is fine. She was impressed with how unstressed he was with the whole proceeding.

So an expensive Tylan it is (£30 for vet consultation and £5 for the Tylan) and I’ll be back to let you know how he goes.

 

[aart]

(£30 for vet consultation and £5 for the Tylan)

That's pretty cheap.
I doubt you'd see an avian vet here in the USA for less than twice that.

 

[josie1]

@aart Wow! That’s a lot. I feel way better about spending that much now. I wonder if he has to go to the exotic vet if it will cost more.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

He was great at the vet, so calm and let her do all her stuff with him. His temp was fine but she noted the white in his mouth and the swelling under his eyes. His eyes had bubbles so she was able to see that symptom.

She agreed with you that it looks like mycoplasma and to try with Tylan again.

She thinks that perhaps because he is free range he may have got access to other sources of water and didn’t drink all that he needed to.

I just thought he’d had enough as his routine was to have a good drink of the antibiotic first thing out of the coop, spend the morning in the barn (where there is no water) and return to the garden in the afternoon and I would give him the antibiotic water to drink again then. Even if he had had water from elsewhere, I thought that what he’d had should have shown some form of improvement in his symptoms.

But I’ve got Tylan again, this time to give for 7 days and he and the rest of the flock have to be netted up so it’s the only thing they drink. He’s not going to be happy, but he’s just got to get through 1 week of no free ranging. The vet said he should show signs of improvement by day 5 but if after 7 days there is none, she wants him to see an exotic vet who specialises in birds. He’s at a different practice but not too far away, about 20 minutes, so it’s not a big deal if I have to take him there.

The sad thing that the vet did pick up on though is he has a heart murmur. She said it can be common in old roosters. She said it is not affecting him at the moment as his comb is still red and is breathing is fine. She was impressed with how unstressed he was with the whole proceeding.

So an expensive Tylan it is (£30 for vet consultation and £5 for the Tylan) and I’ll be back to let you know how he goes.

I'm glad you had a good visit. Of course King Henry behaved himself, he seems like such a good sweet boy.
Hopefully the Tylan will be helpful and you will see improvement in few days. Let us know how is goes.

 

[aart]

@aart Wow! That’s a lot. I feel way better about spending that much now. I wonder if he has to go to the exotic vet if it will cost more.

An 'avian' vet here probably is considered an 'exotic' vet.

 

[josie1]

Thank you @aart.

It’s going to be a long 7 days for King Henry being penned up but I’ve got to be cruel to be kind. I’ve tried to make the enclosure interesting so when he comes out of his house tomorrow morning, he will find himself in my veg patch. Hopefully he’ll have fun eating my kale, broccoli and cabbages and forget he’s not free range.

 

[josie1]

I took King Henry to the exotic vet today as there was no improvement at all after the 7 day treatment of Tylan.

The lesions have returned in his mouth but only a tiny amount can be seen and his face and eyes are still swollen.

The vet didn’t look over him as thoroughly as the first vet but said the plaque in his mouth indicated canker so he would need treatment for that.

He also thinks he still may have mycoplasma especially since 2 hens in my flock now have bubbly eyes (but have no other symptoms).

The vet said mycoplasma can take a long time to get over and he felt the 7 days of Tylan wasn’t long enough.

He gave me a 100g tub of Tylan and wants me to treat the flock again for 10 days.

King Henry’s medicine for his canker is metrobactin which is 250mg metronidazole per tablet. He has half a tablet twice a day for 10 days. This is much better, as the metronidazole I was able to get hold of myself was only 30mg per tablet so poor King Henry had to put up with 9 tablets a day.

I’m not sure what the next plan is if he doesn’t respond. He’s responded to the metronidazole before so hopefully he will this time and I hope the Tylan will finally work.

His ears look bunged up again and I asked the vet if I should try and clear them and he said to leave them. I think I will try though as I found the hydrogen peroxide very helpful when I used it last time.

King Henry and his girls have just started moulting too! Not what they need right now.

I will update again!