My Salmon Faverolles Pullet is Black - Help Me Understand the Genetics

[OhZark Biddies]

Yeah, I just don't know. I think Ideal Hatchery just has some funky genetics at work here... I'm half tempted to call them aand see if I can get in touch with someone that could speak to it directly, rather than trying to guess... but I kind of want to order some of those funky faverolles in the spring just to see what I could come up with by breeding them ... but my luck they'd address the issue and replace the parent stock over the winter!

But if I were to get some of their faverolles I'd like to understand what's going on genetically too.

 

[ChickieChickieMama]

Yeah, I just don't know. I think Ideal Hatchery just has some funky genetics at work here... I'm half tempted to call them aand see if I can get in touch with someone that could speak to it directly, rather than trying to guess... but I kind of want to order some of those funky faverolles in the spring just to see what I could come up with by breeding them ... but my luck they'd address the issue and replace the parent stock over the winter!

But if I were to get some of their faverolles I'd like to understand what's going on genetically too.

Hahaha....talking with you about this is like talking to myself!

(In a good way ) We're totally on the same page. I've almost called Ideal a few times. As I type that ..I vaguely remember there being an Ideal rep who was active on these boards right around the time I placed my order for this crew....maybe we should bring him into this conversation?!

@idealpoultry Can you help us understand what's contributing to these rather unique "Salmon Faverolles" that are coming from Ideal Poultry? Thanks!

 

[OhZark Biddies]

Hahaha....talking with you about this is like talking to myself!

Haha... you're in trouble then.... when I talk to myself, my wife answers back, then I tell her I'm talking to myself not her, and she tells me and myself both to pipe down!

So I was reading up on some of the genetics of Wheaten and Salmon Faverolles, and one of the things I'm picking up on is that to get those light colored hens with no "smut" in the beards and hackle you have to breed in one direction, and to get roosters with those dark beards and breasts you have to breed in the other direction.

Kind of like breeds such as laced wyandottes where breeders keep 2 lines if they are showing both roosters and hens, because the hens are bred for the lacing which makes them very light, and the roosters are intended to be darker with less lacing.

So in reading up on this, I'm starting to thing that the dark pullets that some hatcheries are producing is likely coming from some very striking well marked roosters. Apparently to get the really light salmon fav hens, you want roosters that are a bit poorly marked with some white in their beards, and so on.

See this post where saladin speaks of using "Smut wheaten pullets" to get a rooster with a good solid black breast:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/recessive-wheaten-question.553141/page-4#post-7126428

 

[ChickieChickieMama]

Haha... you're in trouble then.... when I talk to myself, my wife answers back, then I tell her I'm talking to myself not her, and she tells me and myself both to pipe down!

So I was reading up on some of the genetics of Wheaten and Salmon Faverolles, and one of the things I'm picking up on is that to get those light colored hens with no "smut" in the beards and hackle you have to breed in one direction, and to get roosters with those dark beards and breasts you have to breed in the other direction.

Kind of like breeds such as laced wyandottes where breeders keep 2 lines if they are showing both roosters and hens, because the hens are bred for the lacing which makes them very light, and the roosters are intended to be darker with less lacing.

So in reading up on this, I'm starting to thing that the dark pullets that some hatcheries are producing is likely coming from some very striking well marked roosters. Apparently to get the really light salmon fav hens, you want roosters that are a bit poorly marked with some white in their beards, and so on.

See this post where saladin speaks of using "Smut wheaten pullets" to get a rooster with a good solid black breast:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/recessive-wheaten-question.553141/page-4#post-7126428

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!

That's the feed I was reading yesterday that led me to my last post, thinking it was a mutation not a crossbreeding, and that it was moving toward a new variation!

I feel like your wife's voice might start booming any moment now telling me to pipe down.

 

[OhZark Biddies]

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!

That's the feed I was reading yesterday that led me to my last post, thinking it was a mutation not a crossbreeding, and that it was moving toward a new variation!

I feel like your wife's voice might start booming any moment now telling me to pipe down.

LOL, well if you hear her upping my life insurance, please tip me off.

 

[Brahma Chicken5000]

@The Moonshiner

 

[Chick-N-Fun]

What a gorgeous lady you have on your hands! She is a keeper, for sure! Enjoy!

 

[The Moonshiner]

@The Moonshiner

Love it when a thread like this pops up.
I don't have an answer so I'm gonna sit back and eat popcorn with everyone else.

 

[Shorty22366]

She is beautiful.

 

[CSAchook]

Haha... you're in trouble then.... when I talk to myself, my wife answers back, then I tell her I'm talking to myself not her, and she tells me and myself both to pipe down!

So I was reading up on some of the genetics of Wheaten and Salmon Faverolles, and one of the things I'm picking up on is that to get those light colored hens with no "smut" in the beards and hackle you have to breed in one direction, and to get roosters with those dark beards and breasts you have to breed in the other direction.

Kind of like breeds such as laced wyandottes where breeders keep 2 lines if they are showing both roosters and hens, because the hens are bred for the lacing which makes them very light, and the roosters are intended to be darker with less lacing.

So in reading up on this, I'm starting to thing that the dark pullets that some hatcheries are producing is likely coming from some very striking well marked roosters. Apparently to get the really light salmon fav hens, you want roosters that are a bit poorly marked with some white in their beards, and so on.

See this post where saladin speaks of using "Smut wheaten pullets" to get a rooster with a good solid black breast:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/recessive-wheaten-question.553141/page-4#post-7126428

I have read that salmon faverolles are particularly difficult to keep close to the color standard, because the males and females have such dramatically different coloring. Producing correctly colored hens requires aggressive culling.

I wonder if other colors of faverolles are easier to keep to color standard?