My Salmon Faverolles Pullet is Black - Help Me Understand the Genetics

[ChickieChickieMama]

Also silver has no effects on black.

Sorry I meant red/brown. At least according to the online chicken genetics calculator, if the hypothetical rooster carries two copies of Silver (along with the Db, Pg, and Ml) the hens will still have normal whiter colouring (with or without black ticking) but with only one copy of Silver, they could look brown patterned like mine.

 

[ChickieChickieMama]

I'm obviously a complete novice here, which is why I started this thread in the first place, asking for more studied advice. But, in the absence of any definitive answers, I'm trying to figure it out by my own research. I'm sure I'm making many mistakes along the way, but that's how we learn...by asking questions, testing out theories, sharing knowledge.

I'm sure many would say it doesn't matter that it "just happens" and she's "just a hatchery bird", and sure, in the scheme of things, it is completely irrelevant to me what is going on as she is my adored pet and nothing more. I have no intentions of breeding her, or breeding for these attributes (though from the last few weeks on these boards, I suspect I'd have some enthusiastic buyers if I did!)

But I'm one of those annoyingly curious people who believe that things do happen for a reason (even if that reason is "it was a fluke") and this sort of thing fascinates me.

I'm sorry if I'm bothering any of you with my persistence here, but I sure do appreciate those of you who are taking the time to help me understand this whole thing better!

 

[Amer]

Really? From my understanding, laced is a border colour to the feather and mottling is a white tip on the feather. Tolbunt is both together.
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This is a close up of my girl's feathers:
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Keep in mind, she's only 13 weeks old she isn't fully matured yet, but those two images look remarkably alike to my eyes, no? What am I missing?

A feather can appear laced without being genetically laced. After all, laced blues do not have the pattern gene at all, they are melanised black birds with the blue gene.

 

[ChickieChickieMama]

A feather can appear laced without being genetically laced. After all, laced blues do not have the pattern gene at all, they are melanised black birds with the blue gene.

Really? The only blue laced variety I know of are Wyandotte....and the way I understand them is that they have black lacing (Pg, Ml) and the black is diluted to blue (Bl). Is this not correct? Or are you talking about a different chicken?

(Sorry, as I've said, I'm very new to all this!)

And if that's the case, how would you know if it's true lacing or not?

 

[OhZark Biddies]

@ChickieChickieMama keep up the “annoying couriosity” , I learned a lot from your last several replies even if your hypotheses doesn’t hold...


I’ve run across the thread at the link below several times in the past.

There are 2 interesting things, a statement that SFs don’t have mahogany, but also a statement that wheaten is known to let black come through in the form of ticking:


https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/genetics-of-salmon-faverolles.1138094/


Your pullet seems so extreme though that is seems like there is something else going on that just the wheaten letting black ticking in. Seems like there would have to be something else at play genetically...

 

[Amer]

Really? The only blue laced variety I know of are Wyandotte....and the way I understand them is that they have black lacing (Pg, Ml) and the black is diluted to blue (Bl). Is this not correct? Or are you talking about a different chicken?

(Sorry, as I've said, I'm very new to all this!)

And if that's the case, how would you know if it's true lacing or not?

Andalusian, d'Anvers, Wyandotte, Orpington, Silkie(ok not the best example), Ameraucana Cochin you name it. No pattern gene. The lacing on laced blues is just caused by melanism not the pattern gene.

 

[OhZark Biddies]

Re: blue laced

Look at blue orpingtons or similar that have black outer edges and blue inner

Edit: ooops I see @AMERAUCANAS4REAL clarified the blue laced as I was typing

 

[Amer]

Really? The only blue laced variety I know of are Wyandotte....and the way I understand them is that they have black lacing (Pg, Ml) and the black is diluted to blue (Bl). Is this not correct? Or are you talking about a different chicken?

(Sorry, as I've said, I'm very new to all this!)

And if that's the case, how would you know if it's true lacing or not?

It's not the case so it isn't true lacing. Blue is a dilution of black not groundcolor. That's why you can have blue laced red Wyandottes.
If there was the pattern gene, the blue would dilute the lacing, making it blue.

 

[OhZark Biddies]

Another link that states that SFs don’t carry mahogany in a post from @tadkerson

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/pumpkin-hulsey-color-genetics.221630/page-12#post-12772589

 

[OhZark Biddies]

Another mention that SFs carry DK:

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/male-striping-in-wheaten-male-hackles.802948/#post-11607154