Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Hholly]

Here are my new NN babies!

They are very feisty! I've seena few of them grab another chick by the foot and drag it away from the feeder. Is that normal? I've never brooded chicks before, only had broody hens do it.
Any guesses on what colors I have?
Thanks!

 

[Phill98]

Haha!   No choc for me though- don't like it much..     I'll try to think of a better bribe.. 

First...  it will be a sex linked cross- this will be a non-barred roo over barred hens. Result: barred boys, non barred girls.   This can be good for early sexing/culling...  but maybe not so great if you wanted to keep the barring in this project but don't really want to keep back a boy for breeding....

Tank may be also pure for Co- which makes him a black tail buff/red.  It is pretty dominant so if he is pure, the chicks will largely grow into 'black tail buff/tan/reds' but with varying amounts of detailing on their backs.   He is also wheaten, which causes cream chick down, not always so easy to see the barring head spot...   The males will be colored more or less like DesertChic's NN Bielefelder crosses.

Apoc, the roosters will be Crele colored,  the hens will be wheaten- kind of looks like a black tail buff but not quite so.

I'll throw in Snape anyways-  if he is pure for black, then all chicks will be black, with the head spot the easiest to see.  Roosters- just like Snape's black and red coloration, except with barring.   The hens will either be black, or mostly black with some brown/red streaks and "lacing" on their breasts.    If Snape is not pure for black, chances are pretty good the other half is wheaten, so either like Apoc's or Tank's results.

edited for clarification:  if Snape is not pure for black, then the chicks will come out half black and half.. not, most likely wheaten, and also most likely Co being present because both of those genes are so common in hatchery NN.  Co has no effect on a black bird.. that is why I don't know if the 'non-black chicks' will turn out like Tank's or Apoc's probable results.

Usually the barring on crosses are not as strong..  it can be quite variable though.

So..  if you are a fan of the legbar coloring, Apoc is the best bet.  Tank likely will give limited color variation, same goes for Snape if he is pure for black. 

Let me know if I've helped?  This is exciting, can't wait to see who you decide on and the resulting babies!  You have no excuse not to do this..... you have an incubator...  Dumbledore has been away,  has it been a week by now? this is also great for cleaning out the hens of his goodies...   spring is coming...  perfect timing...

@Kev, here is the post I was talking about. I don't know if you were talking abput some specific birds, but I don't think you did.

And for projects, I don't actually like to have to many of them. I try and will try to keep it on one or two per year. Also I don't see myself putting up breeding pens and having more then one flock at the moment and you also already know that I don't really like to have too many birds.

 

[Phill98]

Here are my new NN babies!

They are very feisty! I've seena few of them grab another chick by the foot and drag it away from the feeder. Is that normal? I've never brooded chicks before, only had broody hens do it.
Any guesses on what colors I have?
Thanks!

Chicks are beautiful, but I have never heard anybody having the same problem as you do. Oh and are they Nn or NN or both?

 

[Hholly]

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They all have a bow tie. Does that mean Nn? I don't quite understand the genetics yet.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Yeah from the pullet behavior, he is maturing pretty well. Some cockerels don't go through this jerk phase, some do and mellow out like Snape apparently is, and some stay jerks(those very usually get culled here.... has to be exceptional reason to keep him around)

Weights would be great, if possible! If not just to finish the awesome chart you've made for them.

Heh heh.. what can I ask for.... Honestly, you all excited about this is quite more than enough.

OK, OK - I'll get weights tomorrow. (As they've gotten older, it's gotten harder to get weights.) I think I need pet scale, though, for Snape.

While I'll see what the scale says, I'm actually considering culling Tank. Something is just... off... about him. He grew really big and fast at first, then tapered off. He's not quite so big anymore vs. the other boys (Snape and Apoc) who have continued to fill out - this is from holding Apoc (escape this morning - big boy) vs. Tank (lighter and smaller than I expected). Tank has lots access to food, and is the dominant one in the pen (actually kinda beats on Apoc). Tank has never grown a real tail - his behind is more hen-like. And he has these little weird neurotic squeaky clucking noises - it sounds like he's trying to tidbit for someone, but it's kinda crazy. At the moment I can't really think of anyone I really want to cross him with (I have also decided to admit my error and cull the little Speckled Sussex that I originally got wanting to introduce mottling - way too small).

Any thoughts?

- Ant Farm

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

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Little bowtie (like the photo below) means NN (fewer feathers, homozygous). Big muff in the front, naked neck in the back means Nn.



- Ant Farm

Edit to add: they are rarely ever truly naked necked...

 

[DesertChic]

Watching...reading...learning...LOVING the photos.

 

[DesertChic]

This is the NN pullet with the pale comb I had commented on earlier. I managed to get a decent photo of her. Her face flushes pink/red, but not her comb. She weighed in at 2.74 lbs at 16-weeks....the same size as my bantams of the same age and about half a pound less than her sisters.

 

[Kassaundra]

OK, OK - I'll get weights tomorrow. (As they've gotten older, it's gotten harder to get weights.) I think I need pet scale, though, for Snape.

While I'll see what the scale says, I'm actually considering culling Tank. Something is just... off... about him. He grew really big and fast at first, then tapered off. He's not quite so big anymore vs. the other boys (Snape and Apoc) who have continued to fill out - this is from holding Apoc (escape this morning - big boy) vs. Tank (lighter and smaller than I expected). Tank has lots access to food, and is the dominant one in the pen (actually kinda beats on Apoc). Tank has never grown a real tail - his behind is more hen-like. And he has these little weird neurotic squeaky clucking noises - it sounds like he's trying to tidbit for someone, but it's kinda crazy. At the moment I can't really think of anyone I really want to cross him with (I have also decided to admit my error and cull the little Speckled Sussex that I originally got wanting to introduce mottling - way too small).

Any thoughts?

- Ant Farm

My head boy this past year, Shakespear, I felt was "off" nothing I could put my finger on, until the eggs started not being fertile. Even so there was nothing about his behavior I could absolutely say this is bad, he still mounted, crowed, chased the young boys, tib bit called etc..... However I bit the bullet and culled and he was very ill inside, bad liver, abd full of yellow liquid, small testes. So very glad I culled, wished I had done it earlier when I started having "a feeling"

 

[Kev]

@Kev , you said that Co doesn't effect black. So by breeding this two, what would I get? Black?

OK if I understand the question... breeding black to a bird with Co will still throw black birds.

Example Snape with a black tail buff(buff body is due to Co) will produce black cockerels more or less the same color as him and pullets either all black or having some color details.

There's no way to tell by looking if a black chicken has Co or not. You can figure it out by test breeding the black chicken with a duckwing, if either the cross or second generation produce black tail buff/whites, then the black had Co...