Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kev]

Now for another color question @Kev

I have this pullet, I know that her sire was my Blue Jersey Giant I had. As for mama I believe was the Golden Laced hen ( she wasn't exactly laced as in Wyandottes) but the best description I can give. She was the only hen in the run that has any kind of patterning to her.



The under color is blue. I sure is done form of red, I've been saying Mahogany but I don't really think it's dark enough to be mahogany. It isn't really a true red either. She dies have some patterning to her ( not sure if it can be seen in the photo).

Jersey Giant sire? Hmm... They are supposed to be 100% pure for black. Pure black bred to a colored chicken always give black chicks growing up either almost solid black or with leakage- like Snape. Either the JG was not 100%pure or her sire is a different rooster?

She does look to have Mahogany due to the slightly darker color... but the problem is I don't know her chick down.. she could be partridge(naturally dark all by itself) with Co(which lightens them up some) or a wheaten crossed with a different color. I'm guessing your gold lace hen is partridge so she probably is partridge with Co.. no real name for it, the closest would be blacktail red maybe.

 

[draye]

Jersey Giant sire? Hmm...   They are supposed to be 100% pure for black.   Pure black bred to a colored chicken always give black chicks growing up either almost solid black or with leakage-  like Snape.    Either the JG was not 100%pure or her sire is a different rooster?

She does look to have Mahogany due to the slightly darker color...  but the problem is I don't know her chick down.. she could be partridge(naturally dark all by itself) with Co(which lightens them up some)  or a wheaten crossed with a different color.  I'm guessing your gold lace hen is partridge so she probably is partridge with Co..  no real name for it, the closest would be blacktail red maybe.

Oh he was supposed to be pure ( remember blue not black, but in genetics that may be the sane)) he came from Maria's Heritage Jersey Giants in Indiana ( I think), didn't get them from her directly but from a lady that went and picked them up herself.

Like I said the Golden Laced was the only hen that had any kind of pattern. Is the Golden Laced Wyandottes based on partridge?

BTW no other rooster could have gotten to that hen. The runs didn't to inch any other.

 

[Kev]

I may try Apoc then. And just suck it up and learn to cull baby chicks.

This is Snape. He is DEFINITELY ready to mate with ANYTHING!!!!! And he's ENORMOUS - might help with size. Whaddaya think, now looking at him?

Yep, that is an annual issue for me- having to use Nn birds... including sometimes Nn bred with nn... (new blood, still working on a project etc) but on the other hand, sooooo easy to figure out the keepers out of the day olds... lol

Snape is a very impressive bird. He certainly would help with the size. Be nice though to know for sure what he was crossed with, what are his genetics for egg size and laying etc.

If you're tempted... nothing wrong with Apoc visiting the legbars for however many days then switch with Snape. At least half of Snape's chicks will be readily identifiable, by their black down plus rose comb... if you find say, a cream chick with a rose comb then you know it is Snape's and that he is not pure for black.


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Haha thanks! That made me more excited though... lol Now you see, try to think about finding a barred white spot on that cap...?! On some you can make it out, but others it's pretty tough... btw that is a classic wheaten down pattern especially with Co present.

Great candling pic! Despite all those years dealing with poultry.. candling still brings a smile.. really love it when they're dancing away in there..

 

[Kev]

Oh he was supposed to be pure ( remember blue not black, but in genetics that may be the sane)) he came from Maria's Heritage Jersey Giants in Indiana ( I think), didn't get them from her directly but from a lady that went and picked them up herself.

Like I said the Golden Laced was the only hen that had any kind of pattern. Is the Golden Laced Wyandottes based on partridge?

BTW no other rooster could have gotten to that hen. The runs didn't to inch any other.

I'd be extremely shocked at anything other than black/blue chicks out of a blue Giant.. it would also mean the JG stock was not totally pure and had a color cross somewhere along their line. Nothing wrong IMO as long as the birds match the breed standard otherwise. Just a surprise.

Yeah GLW are 100% partridge based. Marbled pattern on head, either a big central stripe down the back, can be somewhat solid colored on body though that's partridge for sure.

what color legs did the hens have..? I'm asking this as JG are a yellow skin breed.. so if the hen was yellow legged, then there definitely is something up as JG bred with a yellow or green leg hen will only throw either yellow or green legs. This pullet has blue legs.... however blue is possible if the hen had blue or white legs though.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Yep, that is an annual issue for me- having to use Nn birds... including sometimes Nn bred with nn... (new blood, still working on a project etc) but on the other hand, sooooo easy to figure out the keepers out of the day olds... lol

Snape is a very impressive bird. He certainly would help with the size. Be nice though to know for sure what he was crossed with, what are his genetics for egg size and laying etc.

If you're tempted... nothing wrong with Apoc visiting the legbars for however many days then switch with Snape. At least half of Snape's chicks will be readily identifiable, by their black down plus rose comb... if you find say, a cream chick with a rose comb then you know it is Snape's and that he is not pure for black.



Haha thanks! That made me more excited though... lol Now you see, try to think about finding a barred white spot on that cap...?! On some you can make it out, but others it's pretty tough... btw that is a classic wheaten down pattern especially with Co present.

Great candling pic! Despite all those years dealing with poultry.. candling still brings a smile.. really love it when they're dancing away in there..

SOOOOOOOOPER helpful!!!!

Yeah, I wish I knew more about Snape's parentage. He was more a a jerk before, but he starting to very slowly develop some manners (he's 20 weeks). Pullets aren't getting hurt any more (not just the tough skin thing - he's figured out to grab at feathers on head, not skin on neck, and not to push the point if she's not interested). Dances for everyone first. And the girls in his paddock ADORE him. Rarely are very far from him, look to him for reassurance. He actually hovers over all of them them in the tractor to keep the smaller ones warm on cold nights (they still pig pile). On the rare occasion that I handle him, he is happy to let me hold him without psycho freak out. When I pick him up, feels like I'm picking up a turkey. (I really need to get another weight - I haven't weighed in a while).

Sounds like I've got some breeding pens to set up!!!!

Kev, if you don't want chocolate, what payment do you accept?

- Ant Farm

 

[draye]

I'd be extremely shocked at anything other than black/blue chicks out of a blue Giant..  it would also mean the JG stock was not totally pure and had a color cross somewhere along their line.   Nothing wrong IMO as long as the birds match the breed standard otherwise. Just a surprise.

Yeah GLW are 100% partridge based.  Marbled pattern on head, either a big central stripe down the back, can be somewhat solid colored on body though that's partridge for sure.

what color legs did the hens have..?   I'm asking this as JG are a yellow skin breed..  so if the hen was yellow legged, then there definitely is something up as JG bred with a yellow or green leg hen will only throw either yellow or green legs.   This pullet has blue legs....    however blue is possible if the hen had blue or white legs though.

I'm trying to remember but I cannot for the life if me what color they were. I know the Blue JH had Black over yellow legs.

I'm thinking though hers were a blue color, I've got blue legs in my flock and got them from different sources. . .

 

[Phill98]

@draye beautiful birds! And lot of them. Love the pair you posted and I love that rooster's body tipe.

@Kev, you said that Co doesn't effect black. So by breeding this two, what would I get? Black?

@Fire Ant Farm I think you should do the cross. I would also leave the NN rooster with CL girls for a bit longer time, even when Dumbeldore is all right. Then you can also put Dumbeldore with your NN pullets

 

[Kev]

SOOOOOOOOPER helpful!!!!

Yeah, I wish I knew more about Snape's parentage. He was more a a jerk before, but he starting to very slowly develop some manners (he's 20 weeks). Pullets aren't getting hurt any more (not just the tough skin thing - he's figured out to grab at feathers on head, not skin on neck, and not to push the point if she's not interested). Dances for everyone first. And the girls in his paddock ADORE him. Rarely are very far from him, look to him for reassurance. He actually hovers over all of them them in the tractor to keep the smaller ones warm on cold nights (they still pig pile). On the rare occasion that I handle him, he is happy to let me hold him without psycho freak out. When I pick him up, feels like I'm picking up a turkey. (I really need to get another weight - I haven't weighed in a while).

Sounds like I've got some breeding pens to set up!!!!

Kev, if you don't want chocolate, what payment do you accept?

- Ant Farm

Yeah from the pullet behavior, he is maturing pretty well. Some cockerels don't go through this jerk phase, some do and mellow out like Snape apparently is, and some stay jerks(those very usually get culled here.... has to be exceptional reason to keep him around)

Weights would be great, if possible! If not just to finish the awesome chart you've made for them.

Heh heh.. what can I ask for.... Honestly, you all excited about this is quite more than enough.

 

[Kev]

I'm trying to remember but I cannot for the life if me what color they were. I know the Blue JH had Black over yellow legs.

I'm thinking though hers were a blue color, I've got blue legs in my flock and got them from different sources. . .

Yeah probably is it- JG over a blue leg hen will give black or blue legs in that pullet's case..

 

[Kev]

@draye beautiful birds! And lot of them. Love the pair you posted and I love that rooster's body tipe.

@Kev , you said that Co doesn't effect black. So by breeding this two, what would I get? Black?

@Fire Ant Farm I think you should do the cross. I would also leave the NN rooster with CL girls for a bit longer time, even when Dumbeldore is all right. Then you can also put Dumbeldore with your NN pullets

LOL you are as bad as I am with project ideas...

Which two were you talking about in the question?