Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Fire Ant Farm]

OK, @Kev I have a question once you answer Draye.

I just got back form the vet with Dumbledore (the Cream Legbar rooster that got attacked). He's doing well, but needs to be inside for a little while longer until his largest wound heals all the way. He's feathering in as well, doing well. And I have 15 of his babies with his Cream legbar girls growing in the incubator.

I had always intended to eventually do a Cream Legbar/Naked Neck cross, but now that it looks like Dumbledore will be out of the picture and indoors for a while longer, I'm thinking this may be there very best (and least disruptive) time to set up a few "dates" with a Naked Neck boy with the Cream Legbar girls, before Dumbledore comes back out (what he doesn't know won't hurt him!!!).

I think I've ruled out Snape because he doesn't generally like to share and I worry about introducing conflict once Dumbledore is back out. That leaves Apoc and Tank. Tank is crowing and I think he's ready - he's red with black tail (added bonus - he's NN genotype, so all babies will be Nn). Apoc is the one that was yellow downed and is now what you were calling wheaten with a Mahogany overlay (I think). Apoc has escaped his paddock several times now to go make eyes at the Cream Legbar girls through their fence with Dumbledore gone, so I bet he'd be FINE with a little matchmaking - downside is that he's Nn, so there would be fully feathered babies, which I would likely cull as chicks. (Only so much room/housing...)

Kev, can you comment on the benefits of one versus the other in coloring over a Cream Legbar? I'm leaning toward Tank, but wanted your input.

They're 20 weeks old now, here are some slightly older pics of them (about 15 weeks old):

Tank:


Apoc:


(Do I need to send you chocolate or something to keep you on retainer as my chicken color consultant?!

)

- Ant Farm

 

[Kev]

@Kev

What are the colors of these roosters?



I call him Brown Red.

Yep brown red.


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That one looks either Salmon variant or maybe "golden" duckwing- half red half silver. He does have other genes making him darker on his body...

 

[draye]

@draye
 : Such lovely birds!!!!!

Thanks.

 

[Kev]

Haha! No choc for me though- don't like it much..

I'll try to think of a better bribe..

First... it will be a sex linked cross- this will be a non-barred roo over barred hens. Result: barred boys, non barred girls. This can be good for early sexing/culling... but maybe not so great if you wanted to keep the barring in this project but don't really want to keep back a boy for breeding....

Tank may be also pure for Co- which makes him a black tail buff/red. It is pretty dominant so if he is pure, the chicks will largely grow into 'black tail buff/tan/reds' but with varying amounts of detailing on their backs. He is also wheaten, which causes cream chick down, not always so easy to see the barring head spot... The males will be colored more or less like DesertChic's NN Bielefelder crosses.

Apoc, the roosters will be Crele colored, the hens will be wheaten- kind of looks like a black tail buff but not quite so.

I'll throw in Snape anyways- if he is pure for black, then all chicks will be black, with the head spot the easiest to see. Roosters- just like Snape's black and red coloration, except with barring. The hens will either be black, or mostly black with some brown/red streaks and "lacing" on their breasts. If Snape is not pure for black, chances are pretty good the other half is wheaten, so either like Apoc's or Tank's results.

edited for clarification: if Snape is not pure for black, then the chicks will come out half black and half.. not, most likely wheaten, and also most likely Co being present because both of those genes are so common in hatchery NN. Co has no effect on a black bird.. that is why I don't know if the 'non-black chicks' will turn out like Tank's or Apoc's probable results.

Usually the barring on crosses are not as strong.. it can be quite variable though.

So.. if you are a fan of the legbar coloring, Apoc is the best bet. Tank likely will give limited color variation, same goes for Snape if he is pure for black.

Let me know if I've helped? This is exciting, can't wait to see who you decide on and the resulting babies! You have no excuse not to do this..... you have an incubator... Dumbledore has been away, has it been a week by now? this is also great for cleaning out the hens of his goodies... spring is coming... perfect timing...

 

[draye]

Yep brown red. 



That one looks either Salmon variant or maybe "golden" duckwing- half red half silver.  He does have other genes making him darker on his body... 

I'm not really sure about them. The "Golden Duckeing" is a little bigger fellow, but I'm not so sure on his type.

The Brown Red is slightly smaller, but I think he has a bit better type.

I kept both to watch them and try to decide if I want to keep one or the other if them or neither one if them.

I've got some Brown Red and Blue Red hens that I could put with the Brown Red fellow and make some pretty babies. Though I've been thinking too if elimating the red out if them , but not sure how long that would take ( years wise).

Not really sure what I could out under the Golden Duckwing guy. Maybe the half NN/EE girls or maybe a black girl I have. Though I've been thinking if taking her out if the gene pool ( the Black girl), She has size but she also had a crooked ( almost male type) tail feathers, and worried about that being passed down.

I'm actually trying to eliminate some of the odd colors out of my flock but by breeding, as I really like the majority of my hens.

 

[Kev]

the chick pics and talk of crossing is making me too excited about seeing baby chicks again......

 

[draye]

Now for another color question @Kev

I have this pullet, I know that her sire was my Blue Jersey Giant I had. As for mama I believe was the Golden Laced hen ( she wasn't exactly laced as in Wyandottes) but the best description I can give. She was the only hen in the run that has any kind of patterning to her.

The under color is blue. I sure is done form of red, I've been saying Mahogany but I don't really think it's dark enough to be mahogany. It isn't really a true red either. She dies have some patterning to her ( not sure if it can be seen in the photo).

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

Haha! No choc for me though- don't like it much..

I'll try to think of a better bribe..

First... it will be a sex linked cross- this will be a non-barred roo over barred hens. Result: barred boys, non barred girls. This can be good for early sexing/culling... but maybe not so great if you wanted to keep the barring in this project but don't really want to keep back a boy for breeding....

Tank may be also pure for Co- which makes him a black tail buff/red. It is pretty dominant so if he is pure, the chicks will largely grow into 'black tail buff/tan/reds' but with varying amounts of detailing on their backs. He is also wheaten, which causes cream chick down, not always so easy to see the barring head spot... The males will be colored more or less like DesertChic's NN Bielefelder crosses.

Apoc, the roosters will be Crele colored, the hens will be wheaten- kind of looks like a black tail buff but not quite so.

I'll throw in Snape anyways- if he is pure for black, then all chicks will be black, with the head spot the easiest to see. Roosters- just like Snape's black and red coloration, except with barring. The hens will either be black, or mostly black with some brown/red streaks and "lacing" on their breasts. If Snape is not pure for black, chances are pretty good the other half is wheaten, so either like Apoc's or Tank's results.

edited for clarification: if Snape is not pure for black, then the chicks will come out half black and half.. not, most likely wheaten, and also most likely Co being present because both of those genes are so common in hatchery NN. Co has no effect on a black bird.. that is why I don't know if the 'non-black chicks' will turn out like Tank's or Apoc's probable results.

Usually the barring on crosses are not as strong.. it can be quite variable though.

So.. if you are a fan of the legbar coloring, Apoc is the best bet. Tank likely will give limited color variation, same goes for Snape if he is pure for black.

Let me know if I've helped? This is exciting, can't wait to see who you decide on and the resulting babies! You have no excuse not to do this..... you have an incubator... Dumbledore has been away, has it been a week by now? this is also great for cleaning out the hens of his goodies... spring is coming... perfect timing...

I may try Apoc then. And just suck it up and learn to cull baby chicks.

This is Snape. He is DEFINITELY ready to mate with ANYTHING!!!!! And he's ENORMOUS - might help with size. Whaddaya think, now looking at him?

the chick pics and talk of crossing is making me too excited about seeing baby chicks again......

Cream Legbar Day 7 "baby" pics:








And baby pics of Tank to tide you over:




- Ant Farm

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

When you guys introduce a rooster/cockerel to a new pullet/hen for the purposes of breeding, can you put them in to gather right away?

@Kev , forgot to answer your question - Girls have been away form Dumbleore since January 13 (day of attack), so two weeks. Dumbledore will be indoors for minimum of another week or two.

- Ant Farm

 

[draye]

When you guys introduce a rooster/cockerel to a new pullet/hen for the purposes of breeding, can you put them in to gather right away?

@Kev
, forgot to answer your question - Girls have been away form Dumbleore since January 13 (day of attack), so two weeks. Dumbledore will be indoors for minimum of another week or two. 

- Ant Farm

I just throw ( not literally throw, but put) the rooster in the run with the girl/girls I want him to be with. Sometimes there's a little ruckus of a hen trying to be butch but usually backs down when he pecks back.