Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[DesertChic]

I've had whites in the past and liked the color combination. There also seems to be sort of a demand for them as I see requests for white NN now and then and the whites I had did sell pretty fast.

Pepper's brassy look probably has part to do with being half silver(from lorp) and gold from the father. Sometimes a silver crossed with gold will give clean looking silvers, other times they look "brassy", yet other times they get a nice light gold tone(as seen on Golden Phoenix for example) I'm not sure why.

Anyways... some people are bothered by the yellowing on a white rooster's pyle zones, some don't really care.. the ones who say they dislike it are the ones that mention putting in silver to get rid of this yellowing.

Pretty much just throwing everything I can think of regarding whites.. did you see my question about leg color though? Is there a certain leg color you;d like to see on the whites?

Oops! Missed that last question. I'm on day 5 of a chronic migraine and missing a lot at this point.

Leg color isn't a huge issue for me. I know that Dutch has nice yellow legs, and Pepper's are yellow along the middle and transition to black/grey on the outsides and back...very unique. I have one cockerel and one hen with green legs, which still amuse me to no end. Maybe if I manage to breed some white NNs with different colored legs I'll develop a preference, but right now I'm pretty neutral on the subject....and in desperate need for more coffee.

Since Dutch's temperament is so docile and Pepper has thankfully become less aggressive with me, I'll probably try breeding them both to my White Rocks and see what comes of it. In the end though I'll probably cull Dutch. As pretty and sweet as he is, he just doesn't fit into my meat program...and I've got A LOT of good egg layers and more hatching right about now.

 

[DesertChic]

Take look at one of my solid white cockerels. He is 15 weeks old and 13.5 pounds. Waiting to see what size he would grow out to reach.

WOW! I'm loving this guy!

 

[DesertChic]

Your last comment reminded me to do an update on the feather picking... adding the Costco chicken and rice cat food has stopped feather picking. I'm already seeing pin feathers growing out.

strangely, two hens have started molting, one very hard, like a fall molt. Not sure what is up with that.

Egg production has gone up but I can't be sure if it's due to animal protein being added or mere coincidence as it;s spring time... I'm pretty convinced it helped with the feather picking though.

Really? Cat food ended feather picking? That's awesome! I still have a couple hens that feather pick, but much less than they used to, and one NN hen who started molting ages ago and still hasn't grown in any decent feathers. She's one of my green egg layers and hasn't slowed down in her laying habits even a little. From the very beginning she's given me at least 5 eggs per week, and she's the carrier of that buff barring gene. I think I'll pick up some cat food for her. The girl deserves some extra love for all she's given me.

 

[KJaguar]

WOW! I'm loving this guy!

Glad u like him, i have a lot more like him. Will take more pics of the others when i get the chance.

 

[Kev]

Thanks for all this informations.

I'm not sure how pure the black would be. It comes from a Black Jersey Giant with was her dad.

The mother of the rooster was also black as in 1/2 Black Jersey Giant also.

The black project isn't a main concern for me right now, but I've been trying to work it some.

The legs I'll have to check on the hen. I know the rooster has blue legs. This is really a gene that is present in my flock. Came from the Salmon rooster and his blood flows through most of the flock as a grandpa to most. I do have a couple of Blue Red Dplash pullets that have bright yellow legs, which I'm not sure where they came from. Looking back though maybe the EE in them. Most of the EE I bred from had greenish legs. Isn't green blue over yellow?

Jersey Giant is great for making solid blacks AND whites if your white hen is a dominant white. They have the necessary genes so you should eventually get all black or white NN. Keep the least leaky ones, especially less leaky cockerels.


Green is yellow skin- which is what you want, plus pigment in a separate layer of skin on legs, creating the illusion of green legs.

Blue is white skin with the leg pigment making the blue color.

Hopefully the roo is a carrier of yellow skin..?

 

[Kev]

Take look at one of my solid white cockerels. He is 15 weeks old and 13.5 pounds. Waiting to see what size he would grow out to reach.

That does it.. I am moving next to you! Haha

Very nice bird... looks very meaty n big boned but still a great type for mobility. I like huge chickens but not in the way they can't walk very good...

Are they a local chicken breed or from broiler breeding?

 

[Kev]

Oops! Missed that last question. I'm on day 5 of a chronic migraine and missing a lot at this point.

Leg color isn't a huge issue for me. I know that Dutch has nice yellow legs, and Pepper's are yellow along the middle and transition to black/grey on the outsides and back...very unique. I have one cockerel and one hen with green legs, which still amuse me to no end. Maybe if I manage to breed some white NNs with different colored legs I'll develop a preference, but right now I'm pretty neutral on the subject....and in desperate need for more coffee.

Since Dutch's temperament is so docile and Pepper has thankfully become less aggressive with me, I'll probably try breeding them both to my White Rocks and see what comes of it. In the end though I'll probably cull Dutch. As pretty and sweet as he is, he just doesn't fit into my meat program...and I've got A LOT of good egg layers and more hatching right about now.

My condolences! Have a couple friends who suffer from migraines and one has it every week.. NOT fun..

It would not be a bad thing to let Dutch and Pepper breed the rocks before culling down to the best cockerel. I do that pretty often.. it can be sort of like an insurance and test- sometimes one is surprised by what ends up being the preferred offspring. Also a good way to keep genetic variety without having to bring in new birds. But all too understanding of too many birds issue... ha!

Get well.

 

[Kev]

Really? Cat food ended feather picking? That's awesome! I still have a couple hens that feather pick, but much less than they used to, and one NN hen who started molting ages ago and still hasn't grown in any decent feathers. She's one of my green egg layers and hasn't slowed down in her laying habits even a little. From the very beginning she's given me at least 5 eggs per week, and she's the carrier of that buff barring gene. I think I'll pick up some cat food for her. The girl deserves some extra love for all she's given me.

That is truly a precious hen for production!

Yeah the cat food seems to have done the trick.. so relieved. I got the dry food.. some took to them fast but others took a while. What I did was let the feed run out so they were fairly hungry the next day and gave only cat food for that day. That did the trick.. even the fussy eaters gobble them up whenever I toss them as treats.. but am thinking to mix it in their regular feed also with some black oil sunflower seed.

btw- I was giving black oil sunflower seed for a couple months, it has done nothing for feather picking.. will continue mixing it in anyways- they do like it.

 

[Kev]

@Kev , I also have one hen that started molting, don't know why, she molted before winter and now she is actually laying now.

As for black hens being solid, I figured something in bit older hens. I have two pure blacks. When they molt, these two stay pure black just a bit washed out. Three others that I have that are not pure for black also wash out during the molt, but they get brown, like chocolate color. And in my flock, whenever I hatch chicks, I know who is solid black, even hens, they always show some sign, I always look at tiny feathers around the eyes. If they are black and molt with black feathers, I know they are pure black.

About white ones, in one moment I had one pure dominant white hen and one pure recessive white one. Recessive white one has black/green legs and she always looked "whiter" then other girl that was all white too, but yellow legs that she had made her look plain, comparing her to recessive white one with dark legs that is white as snow.

Another question, can I get black legs on dominant white or white columbian? Currently I only have black hens and that recessive hen that have blacks legs. And the white one isn't laying and I think she will never be.

I think I understand what you are saying about the whites... the recessive whites usually look "shiny" or crisper, while the dominant white look more "flat" or soft. Sometimes they look the same though with no real way to tell except by breeding.

Dominant white is very popular here in meat or production breeds.. in the more of an ornamental breed, they usually are recessive white instead.

The only real way to get black legs on dominant whites or columbian is to have fibro...

Black legs is a side effect of black feathering all over.. so with columbian patterned birds they can't have this as they are all wheaten, partridge.. only way to cheat it is using fibro which also darkens the legs.

Dominant white is pigment suppressor, including on the skin.. which is partly why they are popular for the meat market here- very strong preference for yellow skin. So it also often affects leg pigments.. for reasons I don't really understand, some dominant whites have almost perfectly black skin anyways.. but many do have lighter skin color though. Too bad as I do like the white bird contrasting with black face and legs.

 

[Phill98]

I think I understand what you are saying about the whites...  the recessive whites usually look "shiny" or crisper, while the dominant white look more "flat" or soft.   Sometimes they look the same though with no real way to tell except by breeding.

Dominant white is very popular here in meat or production breeds..  in the more of an ornamental breed, they usually are recessive white instead.

The only real way to get black legs on dominant whites or columbian is to have fibro... 

Black legs is a side effect of black feathering all over..  so with columbian patterned birds they can't have this as they are all wheaten, partridge.. only way to cheat it is using fibro which also darkens the legs.

Dominant white is pigment suppressor, including on the skin..  which is partly why they are popular for the meat market here- very strong preference for yellow skin.  So it also often affects leg pigments.. for reasons I don't really understand, some dominant whites have almost perfectly black skin anyways..  but many do have lighter skin color though.   Too bad as I do like the white bird contrasting with black face and legs.

That's what I thought about black legs and columbian. But I love it too.

And here is dominant white present in meat and production birds for the same reason.

I think my only problem is that I would like to have great layers that are also big and look show-quality. Actually, everybody here wants that, right?