Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[DesertChic]

Oh so there is the problem. And about that crowing, I hope it's not going to last. Maybe it will change it if he is young-how old is he?

23 weeks, and he's been crowing for over a month. I'm losing hope.

And investing in earplugs.

 

[Phill98]

23 weeks, and he's been crowing for over a month. I'm losing hope.   And investing in earplugs. 

Well if that crowing continues, Ibthink thaz would be well spent money!

( where can I find that emoji)

 

[Kev]

@Kev Could I breed this guy to work towards an all white NN?



I really like his coloring and would love to work towards some white NNs, but his body type is rather unexceptional, so I'm trying to decide if he's worth keeping.

Remind me.. were his parents blue? Blue tailed buff or any blue coloring.. his tail looks splashed.. but am also wondering if there is a chance at dominant white.

He would be very good over white rocks.. his barring and blue(?) would help with removing black from feathers and legs. Both genes are often used in white birds, especially barring for cleaning the legs to a crisp yellow.

However, your blackest feathered roo would be as good over a white rock. Best would be black and white roo, like your lorp cross because white is not always so good at covering up red/gold pigments.

only saying white rock because I'm aware you have at least one and not sure if there are other white birds..

 

[nchvac]

I just harvested 4 crowers. 3 were not nn, they were eggs I had got from others for broody moms while I was having fertility issues w/ Shakespear. Everytime I harvest non nn it amazes me that anyone (who harvests meat) keeps any other chicken then NN.

Why do you say that?

And are yours double breasted? I would like to find a good broiler line of NN.

 

[DesertChic]

Remind me.. were his parents blue? Blue tailed buff or any blue coloring.. his tail looks splashed.. but am also wondering if there is a chance at dominant white.

He would be very good over white rocks.. his barring and blue(?) would help with removing black from feathers and legs. Both genes are often used in white birds, especially barring for cleaning the legs to a crisp yellow.

However, your blackest feathered roo would be as good over a white rock. Best would be black and white roo, like your lorp cross because white is not always so good at covering up red/gold pigments.

only saying white rock because I'm aware you have at least one and not sure if there are other white birds..

Both of his parents were blue-tailed buffs, and mom had the buff barring gene. And the White Rocks are my only all-white birds, but I do have some mostly white Dorking mixes as well.

So....would Heisenberg, Ozzy or Pepper work just as well over a White Rock? I know that both Ozzy and Heisenberg carry a lot of red, but Pepper is black, white and brassy white. They're all much larger, meatier birds, and Pepper has outstanding egg layer genes. Hmm......

 

[DesertChic]

Why do you say that?

And are yours double breasted? I would like to find a good broiler line of NN.

I'm working on it.

 

[draye]

@Kev Could I breed this guy to work towards an all white NN? I really like his coloring and would love to work towards some white NNs, but his body type is rather unexceptional, so I'm trying to decide if he's worth keeping.

Remind me.. were his parents blue? Blue tailed buff or any blue coloring.. his tail looks splashed.. but am also wondering if there is a chance at dominant white. He would be very good over white rocks.. his barring and blue(?) would help with removing black from feathers and legs. Both genes are often used in white birds, especially barring for cleaning the legs to a crisp yellow. However, your blackest feathered roo would be as good over a white rock. Best would be black and white roo, like your lorp cross because white is not always so good at covering up red/gold pigments. only saying white rock because I'm aware you have at least one and not sure if there are other white birds..

I'm trying for a pure white NN also. Here's my hen that I have right now.

She's just a bit over a year old. She's nearly a replica of her mother, who I lost after hatching just the one egg from her. This hens father was my old Blue Red rooster. Here he is;

It may have been because if the red in him but it didn't remove any of the black specks from her. Anyway I have eggs hatching from this hen mated with my Cinnamon NN rooster. Here:

Trying for a white out this pair, but I'm afraid the red will leak over onto the babies. Maybe I need to keep a barred rooster to put over the white and maybe the black flecks will disappear from the offspring.

 

[Kev]

Both of his parents were blue-tailed buffs, and mom had the buff barring gene. And the White Rocks are my only all-white birds, but I do have some mostly white Dorking mixes as well.

So....would Heisenberg, Ozzy or Pepper work just as well over a White Rock? I know that both Ozzy and Heisenberg carry a lot of red, but Pepper is black, white and brassy white. They're all much larger, meatier birds, and Pepper has outstanding egg layer genes. Hmm......

Thanks and yep.

Basically, the white rocks most likely are solid black under their white. So their genetics will help a lot with the color leakage issue- leakage should be reduced in the crosses but still variable. If they are recessive white, it usually does a pretty good job at covering up both black and gold pigments. In this case, there's a pretty good chance to get solid whites fairly easily.

I don't know if this is true... it's been said adding silver(what makes them black and white instead of black and red/gold) to whites reduces the brassiness in whites. For this claim, maybe Pepper would be the easiest route for sparkly whites. Another pro for Pepper is him being half australorp, so he is a 'proven' carrier for some of the helper genes necessary for solid black.. probably get some solid or near solid blacks out of him.

However, getting silver in whites is still possible with any rooster because it is also a good assumption the white rocks are silver, but it is also sex linked so only the boys will have it(like Pepper) so keeping only a son and breeding back to the rock is still a straightforward route.

With Pepper and again assuming the rocks are silver, then there will be silver in both sons and daughters. Pick out the ones with white leakage(avoid the yellowish tint on cockerels) and breed together or back to a white and the majority, maybe all if lucky will be pure silver.

If sparkly white is not a concern then pick whatever rooster you like the best. what color was Pepper's NN parent? If it was red/buff then Pepper is genetically half silver half gold.. that can cause the leaky color to take on a brassy color. His areas should be whiter if he was pure silver..

As for your dorkings are you wanting to involve them? do you know if recessive or dom white or is mostly white due to other gene combo?

 

[Kev]

I'm trying for a pure white NN also.

Here's my hen that I have right now.

She's just a bit over a year old. She's nearly a replica of her mother, who I lost after hatching just the one egg from her. This hens father was my old Blue Red rooster. Here he is;

It may have been because if the red in him but it didn't remove any of the black specks from her.

Anyway I have eggs hatching from this hen mated with my Cinnamon NN rooster. Here:


Trying for a white out this pair, but I'm afraid the red will leak over onto the babies. Maybe I need to keep a barred rooster to put over the white and maybe the black flecks will disappear from the offspring.

Are you sure she is not a minimally marked splash- were there blue or splash hens that could have been the mother? Do you know if recessive white or dominant white was present in the line? For example a white tailed red like a red sex link or...

The roo is a good try, because even if she is a splash not a white, she seems to be solid colored otherwise(as in if she were blue, not a splash she would have been solid blue, no patterning if that makes sense).. there may be a possibility for a few solids out of this pair but am afraid to say that.

btw the roo is a Great choice for a white project because he does not have red patch on his wing bow... that is very difficult to remove. I'm guessing his body color is like that due to being half silver half gold...

 

[draye]

Are you sure she is not a minimally marked splash- were there blue or splash hens that could have been the mother?  Do you know if recessive white or dominant white was present in the line? For example a white tailed red like a red sex link or...

The roo is a good try, because even if she is a splash not a white, she seems to be solid colored otherwise(as in if she were blue, not a splash she would have been solid blue, no patterning if that makes sense).. there may be a possibility for a few solids out of this pair but am afraid to say that. 

btw the roo is a Great choice for a white project because he does not have red patch on his wing bow... that is very difficult to remove.  I'm guessing his body color is like that due to being half silver half gold...  

There were only two hens in that tin at the time. A Blue Red hen and the White hen.

I think there were only three to hatch. A Black Gold, a Blue Red, and the white one. She was solid white at hatch and developed the black flecks as she matured. Fairly positive the white one was her mother.

The mother, the white one, was a hen I bought at an auction do I know nothing of the background. Fairly certain it was not a splash because she looked a lot like a White Leghorn, she was a smaller hen than this pullet, the rooster had added size to his chicks.

The Cinnamon roosters mother I'm fairly certain was my Columbian hen, she was by the Salmon rooster out of a hen that was a odd color almost a Salmon Buff color, who I feel fairly certain was from a Black Tailed Buff NN. Of course there was Barred in her background also.

His dad was a Barred rooster who had a lot of Orange leakage, as in New Hampshire orange.

So you think the possibility is there for some pure whites from the cross?