Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Kev]

I think I found my breed!

It doesn't matter if they are gypsy or fm, like it either way, but what is standard calling for?

I generally don't like very tame breeds like most of you guys like, but are they really that small? They look nice size especially roosters.

Broodies?!? Great!

I thought that they are agressive because they look like asian game birds of some kind and I was really glad when you said they are not people agressive, but there are always exceptions to the rules.

They are much smaller than your current birds(which seem huge to me). Also they are loose feathered- long soft feathers.. that makes them seem bigger than they really are.

I don't need very tame birds either, I cannot handle the birds anyways due to allergies... but wild birds are annoying especially in a pen or coop.. so I like and breed for calmer birds mainly for the ability to walk into their pen without any of them cackling or thrashing about.

I don't know what the standard calls for... only thing I seem to remember is it calls for yellow soles on their feet.. not sure if that is possible with fibro birds.

Actually, most of the fighting or game breeds are not aggressive towards humans because they need to be handled quite a lot so man fighters(attacks people) are not desirable.. most owners cull out the man fighters.

Sumatras are strongly regarded as non-pet ornamental and have been for a long time so they are not strongly like the game birds. Maybe more like some kind of partly feral chicken, except bred to look a certain way best describes them?

Try a few sumatras at first, instead of replacing the whole flock and regret the mistake.. too many times a breed will seem fantastic... until you get some and turns out they don't really excite you after all.

 

[Kev]

@Pensmaster

@Kev

I went ahead and texted him. It was this model from amazon.

It was full price when he ordered it. $49.99

http://www.amazon.com/Rat-Zapper-RZ...096&sr=8-2&keywords=rat+zapper+ultra+rat+trap

He has been managing it and says it has 35 confirmed kills so far. Way more than I thought. He says others in different barns at the same facility have ordered it with great success as well.
Over 150 horses at the place so... LOTS of rodents.

Thanks! I'll try one of those or maybe whatever's available locally and see how they work here.

 

[chickengr]

bloody rats stole 2 more eggs under the broody: 1 marans and 1 OE. this is their dinner tonight:



this is an omelette with chopped oleander leaves (toxic) sprinkled with gypsum, folded and sprinkled with more gypsum and some crumbles. bon appetit!

I will let you know if it works.

 

[Phill98]

bloody rats stole 2 more eggs under the broody: 1 marans and 1 OE. this is their dinner tonight: this is an omelette with chopped oleander leaves (toxic) sprinkled with gypsum, folded and sprinkled with more gypsum and some crumbles. bon appetit! I will let you know if it works.

We used to use gypsum too and had great luck with it. Hope you'll have the same.

 

[Pensmaster]

@Pensmaster
 

@Kev
 

I went ahead and texted him. It was this model from amazon.

It was full price when he ordered it. $49.99

http://www.amazon.com/Rat-Zapper-RZC001-Classic/dp/B002665ZTC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1459870096&sr=8-2&keywords=rat+zapper+ultra+rat+trap

He has been managing it and says it has 35 confirmed kills so far. Way more than I thought. He says others in different barns at the same facility have ordered it with great success as well. 
Over 150 horses at the place so... LOTS of rodents. 

Thank you for finding the info and the follow up on rat count.

 

[CliffB]

This girl right here is killing me. She stopped laying at the beginning of winter and here we are now in April and still no eggs. She is only 2.5 at this point but lord have mercy.

 

[draye]

Reposting.
@Kev
Couple of questions. Three really.
1). Can a Brown Red rooster over a Wheaten Duckwing ( best description I can come up with) produce these two?

One has a reddish cast to it, and these other is more of a silver look.

2). A crops between a Columbian (Cinnamon) rooster over a White (few black spots) produce these Columbian colored chicks?

Three of them appear to be Columbian marked.

3). Are partridge chicks hatched out as a brownish red color?

 

[Kev]

Reposting.
@Kev
Couple of questions. Three really.
1). Can a Brown Red rooster over a Wheaten Duckwing ( best description I can come up with) produce these two?

One has a reddish cast to it, and these other is more of a silver look.

Yep and it proves the brown red is not pure for brown red. Kinda like thinking brown red is N, with your roo being Nn instead of NN.. and like breeding Nn with nn(wheaten for this example) you get about half Nn(brown reds) and nn(wheaten). Let me know if this makes sense?

Was the wheaten silver? It may be possible the whiter chick may be silver.. it is often hard to tell if a wheaten chick is gold or silver. btw if the hen IS silver,then this is a sex linked cross.


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In this pic? I see three whites? It seems youre dealing with a dominant white? Black spots on a dominant white means the bird is not pure for the white and they will throw a mix of white/white featured(like red sex links) and non white chicks...


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This is slightly complicated... answer is yes but they also come in striped back with marbled pattern on their heads(wyandotte chicks) and there is a gene called darkbrown that makes chick down turn to a brown color yet has no effect on adult feather color/pattern (with the major exception of when combined with lacing genes on birchen- sebrights and laced polish but ignore this part for now).

However seeing your golden partridge roo, you most likely really do have partridge, not so wrong to guess your brown chicks being partridge.

 

[draye]

Yep and it proves the brown red is not pure for brown red. Kinda like thinking brown red is N, with your roo being Nn instead of NN..  and like breeding Nn with nn(wheaten for this example) you get about half Nn(brown reds) and nn(wheaten).  Let me know if this makes sense?

Was the wheaten silver? It may be possible the whiter chick may be silver.. it is often hard to tell if a wheaten chick is gold or silver.  btw if the hen IS silver,then this is a sex linked cross.

Makes sense.
The hen being silver. I think she probably was, but don't know for sure. Her dad was the Salmon rooster and her mom I believe was a buff hen.

Here's a picture, this isn't her but a half sister.
She looked almost identical;

 

[Kev]

Makes sense.
The hen being silver. I think she probably was, but don't know for sure. Her dad was the Salmon rooster and her mom I believe was a buff hen.

Here's a picture, this isn't her but a half sister.
She looked almost identical;

I had hit the wrong button.. edited my post to cover your other questions above..

She definitely is silver. She just happens to have separate genes that basically fight very hard to put in loads of red pigments enough to overcome the effects of the silver gene. If she didn't have those, she would have been either white all over or only a pale hint of buff.

btw good thing you mentioned her father being salmon. She is actually the hen version of salmon. They're silver wheaten with Mahogany gene if I remember right....