Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[Mini Meat]

There is something that is holding me back from getting into the NN's.

The main reason for my interest in the breed is the carcass quality.
It seems the nakedness can be graded into just about any breed. How do I keep from getting birds that are say 7/8 leghorn w/NN or Nn (extreme example)

Don't get me wrong I think that it is all great and I plan to do mad science with my flock as well, but to start... carcass is #1.

What do I look for or avoid to find birds that are true to that trait?

Remember, I am still learning so I hope I am not being rude with this question... not my intention.

 

[chickengr]

That's because you tried to give it to them.. try keeping it away.. they will clean it right up lol

I don't want cats to eat gypsum!

btw, it seems that my drake was steeling eggs when duck is out. when I let the broody out and left the door open my drake went in. later I found a broken egg in the run. it had blood inside

although I am not sure if the chick will hatch because the broody stays a lot outside. I will wait for some hen to get broody or hire one again.

 

[chickengr]

HI Everyone! I'm so happy I found this page. All your birds are gorgeous! I, too, love Naked Necks. I have six hens that lay green, olive, and dark brown eggs. It seems like the popularity of these smart birds is increasing.

If anyone is interested in purchasing hatching eggs, I just listed some on the 24 hour auction page. I'm in Washington State and am happy to ship!

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/754060/the-new-crazy-24hr-auction-thread/11500#post_16816140

welcome! your birds are beautiful.

 

[chickengr]

There is something that is holding me back from getting into the NN's.

The main reason for my interest in the breed is the carcass quality.
It seems the nakedness can be graded into just about any breed. How do I keep from getting birds that are say 7/8 leghorn w/NN or Nn (extreme example)

Don't get me wrong I think that it is all great and I plan to do mad science with my flock as well, but to start... carcass is #1.

What do I look for or avoid to find birds that are true to that trait?

Remember, I am still learning so I hope I am not being rude with this question... not my intention.

my biggest girl is Nn. she has some leghorn blood. she was 5 kg and she is heavier now and she is a good layer of jumbo eggs. O bought her as a 4 weeks old chick so I don't know her origins. her comb is very floppy and she is white so I guess that is a leghorn blood.

 

[Kev]

There is something that is holding me back from getting into the NN's.

The main reason for my interest in the breed is the carcass quality.
It seems the nakedness can be graded into just about any breed. How do I keep from getting birds that are say 7/8 leghorn w/NN or Nn (extreme example)

Don't get me wrong I think that it is all great and I plan to do mad science with my flock as well, but to start... carcass is #1.

What do I look for or avoid to find birds that are true to that trait?

Remember, I am still learning so I hope I am not being rude with this question... not my intention.

EDIT on re-reading... I misunderstood your question and deleted my earlier response. My apologies, only had 3 1/2 hours sleep last night..

are you asking about good meat production and want to avoid the "layer type" stock with not so much meat?

 

[Kev]

I don't want cats to eat gypsum!

btw, it seems that my drake was steeling eggs when duck is out. when I let the broody out and left the door open my drake went in. later I found a broken egg in the run. it had blood inside

although I am not sure if the chick will hatch because the broody stays a lot outside. I will wait for some hen to get broody or hire one again.

Ouch....

eggs under broodies are pretty tough. Many times I've found chilled eggs, including some chilled overnight- hen went back to wrong nest or... and put them back under a hen and they still hatched. The overnight eggs did usually take a day or two longer to hatch though.

 

[ForrestGump]

@Kev

I have had a lot of EE rooster with the blue look like the above rooster.

Personally I don't think it's blue. Either Lavender, which I really don't think do either, maybe Khaki or Mauve. I've never seen the actual color in person so don't really know what it should look like.

Furthermore I don't know if either Khaki or Mauve will dilute red.

Just done thoughts. The chicks that I'm getting on the NN's from the EE lines are still producing a lot of odd colors.

I will have to look up more info in color genetics. I will also look up to see which hen was her mother.

I don't think my pullet it lavender since I know there have never been any lavender birds in my flock. The rooster was a blue partridge, so he definitely had a splash/blue gene that diluted his black pigmentation on his chest but less so in is tail. I know there are two different gene loci for chest patterns,so maybe that has something to do with it.

When I crossed the rooster with a black australorp hen, half the babies were black and half were blue. He definitely had one dilute gene.

 

[Mini Meat]

my biggest girl is Nn. she has some leghorn blood. she was 5 kg and she is heavier now and she is a good layer of jumbo eggs. O bought her as a 4 weeks old chick so I don't know her origins. her comb is very floppy and she is white so I guess that is a leghorn blood.

Good to know that the size was retained.

I don't think you're being rude at all. There's all sorts of keepers here- pet and.or production. by carcass, do you mean the finished appearance after butchering(btw much easier to hand pluck NN/Nn than anything else except scaleless lol) or texture, taste? I like the appearance of NN carcasses much better. They taste good to me but to be fair, have not yet tasted the 'exotic meat' breeds like bresse, etc. I've been personally told and read barbezieux having strongly a game/wild bird taste.. I have this breed, just haven;t eaten one yet.

The only thing I can say there seems to be a sweetness to the meat of fibro birds. But it is also easily overpowered by spices/seasoning.. I taste it the most when it's just grilled with a little bit of salt/pepper. These were older birds(not 6-8 weeks old like with store/cornishx) so they naturally have a lot more flavor anyways.

If you are a little nervous asking further on here, dont be afraid to ask on the egg/meat production thread. It is a little hard to find people who are truly familiar and honest with comparing different breeds with one being NN.. still a fair bit of bias against NN(thats changing pretty fast though) or personal bias towards a single breed over everything else.

It is ridiculously easy to breed in NN and essentially create a NN/Nn breed X you can get away with simply doing an one time cross then repeatedly breed a naked neck from each generation back to a pure breed until you are happy with the results. I've either done this very thing or did variants on it, both just for fun or to introduce heat tolerance into heat intolerant breeds(110-120F summers here).

I have not eaten an NN so I don't know about the flavor (I've heard good things) but I have seen photos of processed birds and they have been impressive. Carcasses appearance/size is what I would be after, as well as pluck-ability.

The part in red from your post is what has me troubled. I want to do 1/2 breeds w/ my DC's myself, for hybrid vigor but would like to avoid anything too crazy cropping up.

 

[Kassaundra]

Mini meat, that is a real issue, they are easy to mix and so it happens a lot. If I were wanting as close to undiluted NN I would get them from a NN breeder, more long term the better. I'm sure there is some breed group out there. Here on BYC Nava has some amazing birds, she has added some other blood along the line to get the blue / red laced ones but has taken great care to keep size and type. She also has standard color / lines.

 

[ForrestGump]

The size of the NN does depend on what they are crossed with. I started with Marans crosses and all my birds are fairly large. I have one one that is half legbar (mom is small crested cream legbar and dad is a marans-turken). She is still fairly large because of the Marans heritage she got from the rooster's line. She lays green eggs with white speckles - beautiful!