Naked Neck/Turken Thread

[draye]

@Kev

Since you're on now, I've got a question.

If I were able to produce a good Silver Birchrn rooster, would he be a good choice to use to produce Silver Partridges?

I have a nice Silver Partridge pullet that I'd like to use to produce more. I just need to figure out what to breed her to.

I still have her daddy and he's with the Mottled Partridges and a coupje of more that produced her in the first place. Getting ready to hatch a Vskebtines day hatch.

 

[Kev]

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Actually it is even better- both polish and sebrights are ER(birchen) base. This is what allows them to have the laced pattern on their tails, versus black tails on wyandottes which are eb(partridge) base.

So if you want laced tails, the polish crosses would be excellent. I think you will be able to reach this goal pretty easily.

 

[Kev]

@Kev

Since you're on now, I've got a question.

If I were able to produce a good Silver Birchrn rooster, would he be a good choice to use to produce Silver Partridges?

Hard to tell.. Birchens are able to carry dominant genes "hidden" because birchen is basically so dominant it does not let a lot of genes express visually on them.

If a birchen happens to be 'clean'- no hidden surprise genes then this can work. But if the brichen has things like Columbian, Pg, etc it will really mess with the results- throw things like black tail whites, sorta pencilled silvers etc down the road.

The best cross would be with a red partridge because almost the only difference between red and silver partridge is the latter has Silver.. and partridges cannot hide any surprises like Columbian etc.

If the birchen is the only rooster you have or like, go ahead and try it.. maybe you will get good silver partridges, maybe you will be suprised with black tail whites etc..

 

[draye]

Hard to tell..  Birchens are able to carry dominant genes "hidden" because birchen is basically so dominant it does not let a lot of genes express visually on them.

If a birchen happens to be 'clean'- no hidden surprise genes then this can work.  But if the brichen has things like Columbian, Pg, etc it will really mess with the results- throw things like black tail whites, sorta pencilled silvers etc down the road.

The best cross would be with a red partridge because almost the only difference between red and silver partridge is the latter has Silver..    and partridges cannot hide any surprises like Columbian etc.

If the birchen is the only rooster you have or like, go ahead and try it..  maybe you will get good silver partridges, maybe you will be suprised with black tail whites etc..

I don't think I'll try that. I will have to try getting me another Partridge rooster, lost mine.

I do have another Red Mottled rooster that came out of the Mottled Oartridges though. That'd be her uncle, might try that cross.

Funny you mentioned Black Tailed Whites. That obe I have that I thought was a BTW turns out she is actually a Blue Tailed White. Her daddy is a Hokden Partridge and her mom would have to be a Blue Red because she was the only thing I had in that run that could produce a blue. The blue she had in her tail was so dark I thought it was black, but this winter weather has made it show more blue.

 

[Kev]

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Do you realize that a Splash Black tail white would either be solid white or nearly so? Pretty cool huh?

Now that you mention it- mottle partridges... don;t think I've ever seen a mottled silver partridge? Hm,mm.... if you happen to get one of those, pictures please!

 

[Kev]

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How interesting, esp. as my Snape has a Rose comb....

Gabriel is right, a bit unfortunate no cited sources.... I have seen old prints of NN that were clearly cuckoo/barred and thats a color not accepted in the american standard.

I've had rose comb NN on and off thru the years(products of my own crossings though), sometimes rather liked it especially if the comb was of good size and type... also on and off through the years some would mention wanting to introduce rose comb into the NN. However some of the show folks um, did not take to that very kindly at all and were rather open about feeling that way. They would rather people stick to what was already in the standard, improving on their type and so on.

Have you decided yet on the rose comb trait? Keep or eventually let it go from your stock?

 

[draye]

Do you realize that a Splash Black tail white would either be solid white or nearly so? Pretty cool huh?

Now that you mention it- mottle partridges...  don;t think I've ever seen a mottled silver partridge? Hm,mm....  if you happen to get one of those, pictures please!

She doesn't have the mottling herself, but I'll keep my eye open and watch for one. I'm hoping though I'll hatch out some more silvers this next hatch.

 

[Fire Ant Farm]

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How interesting, esp. as my Snape has a Rose comb....

Gabriel is right, a bit unfortunate no cited sources.... I have seen old prints of NN that were clearly cuckoo/barred and thats a color not accepted in the american standard.

I've had rose comb NN on and off thru the years(products of my own crossings though), sometimes rather liked it especially if the comb was of good size and type... also on and off through the years some would mention wanting to introduce rose comb into the NN. However some of the show folks um, did not take to that very kindly at all and were rather open about feeling that way. They would rather people stick to what was already in the standard, improving on their type and so on.

Have you decided yet on the rose comb trait? Keep or eventually let it go from your stock?

Oh, keep, or I wouldn't have kept Snape on as main flock rooster. I don't give a diddly do about what a judge might think - as if I would ever show my NNs.

My only dilemma is how may separate groups I would try to keep separate, while trying to add the S&Gs, the GNHs, and the Alohas...

Speaking of Alohas, @Kev and @alohachickens , what would happen if the Aloha NN pullets were crossed with Goodwin, the Lavender Ameraucana with lots of red leakage? Would I have hope for eventual pasteling of the aloha effect (Kev, did you call that porcelain?) or would the black cover up all the mottling/"spots"?

- Ant Farm

 

[chickengr]

The hens would be silver cuckoo, roosters would look either silver cuckoo or start out looking like silver cuckoo but show some red or "gold"(yellowish) color on the backs and wings..

They might show a lot more "silver" over their bodies than the silver cuckoo marans. White edging on the breast feathers in particular.

sounds great! thanks

 

[Kev]

Oh, keep, or I wouldn't have kept Snape on as main flock rooster. I don't give a diddly do about what a judge might think - as if I would ever show my NNs.

Right on! My general attitude as well. I enjoy the bred for show birds as well as every one's adored "backyard projects".


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Lavender are genetically a solid black chicken "with lavender added". In short, black is dominant over just about everything else. (over simplifying it) so the results of the cross would be black chicks, eventually feathering out mostly black with either silver or brown 'details'- much like black sex links... color on the neck, lacing on the breast, red or silver saddle and wing areas on the roosters.

There's some quibbling grounds but yes, basically a lavender Aloha would look exactly as or similar to porcelain as on porcelain mille fleur. The quibbling ground is basically the presence of a black bar between the white mottle tip and buff feather. Many of the birds in the Aloha project lack this black bar, so some might object to calling that porcelain the same as in milles but technically it is the same thing..

on a mille the feather is like this- white mottle tip-black bar-buff feather.
on procelain it is like this- white mottle tip-lavendar bar-pastel buff feather.

On the aloha without the black bar, the feather is a white mottle tip-buff feather. On a lavender version it would be mottle tip-pastel buff feather. The lavender grey shade would show on their tail.

I admit to not knowing the genetic difference between presence of the black bar vs absence of black bar.....

p.s. unfortunately the term porcelain is getting wider usage... It's already been applied to things like a lavender buff, lavender black tail buff etc. so if you see a porcelain that looks nothing like a porcelain mille, don't worry about it too much..